re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?

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I would love it, take em in the West and move AU to the East. kick Mizzou out

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The state of Missouri has almost twice the population of the state of Oklahoma.

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The state of Missouri has almost twice the population of the state of Oklahoma.

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Missouri is a single state school in a ~6 million population state

Oklahoma is a dual state school in a ~4 million population state

No law but politically it would be almost impossible for OU and OSU to separate. The only way OU could do it is if they found a landing spot for OSU and no one wants them. OU leaving the B12 would push Texas to bail as well and if that happened then the B12 isn't viable as a major conference, it barely is now.

Texas also is stuck politically. Tech, Baylor, and TCU all are dependent on Texas because no other conference would take them as they are Non AAU schools (Tech is esp bad academically) and have tiny fanbases. Texas simply cannot take on the power base of all 3 of those schools to leave unless A&M supported them (lulz). The best part of the divorce with Texas was we left them with the kids and we are free and clear.

More than that though, the only reason to add schools is to make money. Adding OU doesn't make money, at best OU and Texas are net neutral adds because neither adds enough new TV's The only place expansion makes logical sense is Virginia and North Carolina and UVA and UNC are the prizes by far in the re-alignment game. The GOR means nothing if those 2 schools bailed btw because the ACC would fold. The biggest poker game left in realignment is if the Big!G or the SEC gets those 2 schools, they are easily the biggest prizes as 2 of the most powerful public schools in the AAU with extremely deep pockets.

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The state of Missouri has almost twice the population of the State of Oklahoma

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So. It also has a significantly larger population than Arky, La, Ms and Alabama....do you suggest Mizzou is a more integral member of the SEC because the state has 4 million Cardinal fans?

Sure kick Bama out, it splits a state!

OU is down but twice the draw Mizzou is, regionally and nationally

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So. It also has a significantly larger population than Arky, La, Ms and Alabama....do you suggest Mizzou is a more integral member of the SEC because the state has 4 million Cardinal fans?

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Right now Mizzou is worth more to the SEC than Arky, the Miss schools, etc. It is just a fact.

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Sure kick Bama out, it splits a state!

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I don't think kicking anyone out is under consideration.

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OU is down but twice the draw Mizzou is, regionally and nationally

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Maybe, but that value isn't the same to every conference.

Every conference has a few elite programs that are tent poles, some middle of the road programs for filler, and some cannon fodder to take up the losses. Let look at the tent poles per conference:

4/14 tent poles B1G: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St., Nebraska

3/14 ACC: Miami, Florida St., Clemson

3/14 PAC: USC, UCLA, Washington

2/10 Big 12: Texas, OU

Compare that to the SEC:

6/14 SEC: Bama, Tenn, LSU, Auburn, UF, GA

By the ratio, the SEC is doing better than any other conference already. It doesn't need another tent pole to still have a great ratio at 16.

That means even though OU might be a great national draw, some OTHER conference needs that national draw more. The SEC needs POPULATION to go sell its already strong brand to.

The problem with taking an OU is the Minnesota Effect: changing times might make it a waste

I mean, for every SEC conference win someone has to lose. Either OU comes in and competes at its historical levels (which REQUIRES one of the Big 6 taking a step down to make room in the W column), or they settle in the middle of the pack and the "national draw" bonus points are lost.

The SEC doesn't need OUs, it needs NC Sts and VPIs. It needs A&Ms and Mizzou. It needs cable subscribers to grow.

Does OU want the SEC?

I think some of their fans realize they missed the train a few years ago and now they're stranded in a conference with a bully and a bunch of peons. The conference is a joke.

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Take a look at the realignment threads on LINK (LandTheives)

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Oh my! Are their tears sweet! "What if" scenarios out the arse.

Too bad they threw their lot in with the duplicitous Big Tex.

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Literally no one wanted Mizzou in the SEC.

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As old SLU coach Charlie Spoonhour used to say, "I wasn't my wife's first choice either".

btw, F-U Bucknut.

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I might further split the tent poles
B1G = full pole (UM + OSU) and 3/4 pole (PSU + UNL)
ACC = full pole (FSU + ND) and 3/4 pole (UM and CU)
PAC = full pole (USC historic + OU current) and 3/4 pole (UW + UCLA)
B12 = Full pole (Utx + OU) + no real 3/4 poles

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Yeah I considered doing it that way but I got lazy. Thank you!

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Amen brother! It is also why the SEC does not need to go to 9 conference games

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At least unless we get something REALLY nice in return from the rest of the Power 5. Like some rule change that only benefits the SEC really.

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FWIW, Had Bernie stayed at Tulane instead of taking the Gopher job imagine Tulane in the SEC now.

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I bet LSU fans don't want to imagine a SEC-power Tulane.

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I bet LSU fans don't want to imagine a SEC-power Tulane.

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The stadium opened on the old sugar plantation and the first Sugar Bowl had Tulane beating Temple 20-14. I think the "queen of the south" eventually got to what 80K seating? The bigger point is it was on Tulane's campus and was their home stadium during their time in the SEC. Bernie left Tulane after the 30 or 31 Rose Bowl and that Golden Decade of the Gophers would have been the Golden Decade of the Green Wave.