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re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:05 pm to white beans
Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:05 pm to white beans
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Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:16 pm to semotruman
quote:We glad to have y'all.
Again with this? You need to see someone about the B1G boner you've been sporting for years now. Or, just pick a B1G team and become a fan. We landed in the best possible place for us, and we aren't leaving.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:16 pm to 5thTiger
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I see your point in theory, but not in actuality.
Actuality is where it is proven correct!
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Ohio State and Alabama are going to get the ratings on any channel, due to their brands
Maybe.
What if Texas is playing OU the same time Ohio St. plays Penn St? ESPN owns the Tier 1 of both conferences, so it has to pick which one goes on ABC and which one goes on cable. Either game is ABC-level, but there is only one ABC so one is demoted to ESPN or ESPN 2. Happens every weekend after the heavy OOC weeks are done. The SEC and ND doesn't have to deal with that. Each one gets a full channel to spotlight their games that no other programs can get on.
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In terms of total conference, at least on the lower end, I think schools would much rather have money to exposure.
You would think that, but two points:
1. At some level enough money is enough. It is all relative, not everyone is like Texas where they want to beat their chest they make the most. As long as you make more or the same as your competition you are happy.
2. Lower-end programs have to recruit too. A Vandy or Kentucky has to recruit against the Purdues and Iowas. In these recruiting battles exposure can make the difference.
Let us look at real data:
Last season of the ten highest rated games, FIVE were on CBS. And it's not all big programs too. Sure one is the Iron Bowl, another is Bama and LSU. But programs like Mizzou, Texas A&M and MSU were also in the list.
Look at it this way, here are all the teams in that top ten:
Ones that have won a national title in my lifetime:
-Alabama
-Auburn
-LSU
-FSU
-Georgia Tech
-Clemson
-Florida
-Notre Dame
-Miami
Ones that haven't
-Mizzou
-Texas A&M
-Mississippi State
Of these three programs there haven't won a title in my lifetime (and therefore should maybe even be on this list) all three only got on the list because of CBS.
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If that doesn't show the value of CBS to both higher-end and lower-end programs I don't know what can.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:38 pm to 5thTiger
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Ohio State and Alabama are going to get the ratings on any channel, due to their brands. In terms of total conference, at least on the lower end, I think schools would much rather have money to exposure.
You still aren't getting it. I am not just talking about the games themselves but the weeks between the weekends and the winter, spring, and summer when football is not played. If you have the talking heads on ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNU, and ESPNN talking about the SEC 24 / 7 / 365 that is advertising you just can't buy. SECN is just gravy. Sure the PAC has a network, but nobody outside the PAC gets to see it without coughing up the dough. In addition, since the PTN is not part of the ESPN family they get way less exposure on the ESPN family of channels.
I get the BTN for free but the production quality and folks in front of the camera are bad and hard to watch, so I do not. They also seem to have less live content and more repeats of old games. That is not bad at first but after the third time in a month who wants to watch Bucknuts crush some Indiana team from 10 years ago? Sure the SECN carried live gymnastics and softball in the SEC but some of that content wound up on ESPN, ESPN 2, or ESPNU for the rest of the country to see. Again, that is lots of exposure well were a few less dollars at the end of the year.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 3:44 pm to reedus23
To me it doesn't matter. They're still OU. Even if they're not winning 10-11 games a season, playing OU would still be fun. Sure it'd be more fun if they were unbeaten every time.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:11 pm to Cheese Grits
Watch and see. No OU without OSU. This is no comparison to the A&M/TX situation. A&M (politicians) wanted to get out of TX's shadow. Not the same here in Okie land. OU/OSU are attached at the hip.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:13 pm to oldgraydawg
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Not the same here in Okie land. OU/OSU are attached at the hip.
Because unlike A&M, OSU doesn't have options.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:15 pm to 5thTiger
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Come on...lets not be delusional here. If 6 years ago the B1G and SEC both said, "full membership" right now, 10/10 times we go to the B1G
And it would have been a poor move.
In the SEC, Mizzou has a chance to be a national presence.
In the B1G, we're another Minnesota or Iowa and that's at best.
Missing out on the Big 10 will be looked back on 50 years from now as the best thing to ever happen to Missouri.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:21 pm to Cheese Grits
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Sure the PAC has a network, but nobody outside the PAC gets to see it without coughing up the dough.
I always forget that there is a PTN unless I accidentally hit the wrong number on the remote. Pretty much the same for the BTN. But you're right, I hear SECN programming being pushed on ESPN channels all the time. Hard for anyone to not know about the SECN with that kind of cross promoting.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:23 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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To me it doesn't matter. They're still OU. Even if they're not winning 10-11 games a season, playing OU would still be fun. Sure it'd be more fun if they were unbeaten every time.
Not disagreeing with you. It would be fun for y'all. I'm just saying that "fun" will wear off and then what do ya have? The answer is you better have TV sets.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:25 pm to Mizz-SEC
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And it would have been a poor move.
In the SEC, Mizzou has a chance to be a national presence.
In the B1G, we're another Minnesota or Iowa and that's at best.
Missing out on the Big 10 will be looked back on 50 years from now as the best thing to ever happen to Missouri.
Well said. The comparison I was going to make was how Nebraska, who has a more storied history, has slipped into relative obscurity moving to the B1G. Mizzou, a team with not nearly the same history, conversely has moved more onto the national stage because of the SEC.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 4:36 pm to cardboardboxer
Cardboardbox, you are correct about OSU not having options. Also, we don't have all the fighting going on between schools and politicians. Always been very civil and OSU has always been treated like a little bro and not an adversary.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 7:53 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Missing out on the Big 10 will be looked back on 50 years from now as the best thing to ever happen to Missouri.
I think this is 100% true. We are reaping the rewards of SEC membership as opposed to languishing in sporting obscurity with the academic wonks. Plus, the academic profile of the SEC is on the rise and we get to be part of that. I'll take that any day over being considered the redneck hayseeds of the conference by the cultural elitests (in their own mind) of Ohio and Michigan. As more time passes, I become even more convinced we "fit" best here.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 7:57 pm to semotruman
As time passes everyone will see why it was such a great idea to add Mizzoi.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:10 pm to cardboardboxer
Missouri doesn't really fit in with the SEC. They aren't Southern. They aren't even a subset of Southern, like Texan.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:53 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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doesn't really fit in with the SEC. They aren't Southern. They aren't even a subset of Southern, like Texan.
Oh border state isn't a subset of southern...ok
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:11 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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Missouri doesn't really fit in with the SEC. They aren't Southern.
Would it make us fit in better if I told you that my brothers baseball team when he was in little league had the confederate flag front and center on it?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:15 pm to semotruman
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Missing out on the Big 10 will be looked back on 50 years from now as the best thing to ever happen to Missouri.
..........
I think this is 100% true.
being the visionary and ahead of my time, i will look back in 5 years and already see it..
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:19 pm to reedus23
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Would it make us fit in better if I told you that my brothers baseball team when he was in little league had the confederate flag front and center on it?
Sí que sin duda ayudará a
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:19 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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They aren't Southern.
It is beautiful country. At least a lot of it is.
As far as I know the Southwest Conference never had an Arizona team in it but it had Arkansas. Is Arkansas in the southwest US? Did people complain then? I am seriously asking as I am too young to know.
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