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re: Does Tenner remain ahead

Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:40 am to
Posted by Tarpon08
Cut Off, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:40 am to
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TexasTwoTimingTed


Eat a dick Whiskey.
Posted by BearRebelShark
Member since Jun 2019
318 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:41 am to
Doesn’t matter. Vandy coming for that arse at the end of the year.
Posted by David Fellows
Chicago but Georgia on my mind
Member since Mar 2024
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 1:23 pm to
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I don't think Nico being out matters.


It wouoldn't matter. They lose with him or without him.

He's smart to fake an injury so he doesn't get boatraced Saturday night.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 1:31 pm to
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UT’s best win is Alabama. Ole Miss’s best win is Georgia. UT has the better win.



That doesn't really matter. Results against common opponents matters more. Ole Miss beat UGA, so if Tennessee loses to UGA, Ole Miss should jump them. Much like how if Tenn beats UGA, they should jump Texas (results against common opponent).
Posted by volinknox
Member since Sep 2024
134 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 1:48 pm to
loss to UK at home disqualifies you....sorry!
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
10417 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 1:50 pm to
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That doesn't really matter. Results against common opponents matters more. Ole Miss beat UGA, so if Tennessee loses to UGA, Ole Miss should jump them. Much like how if Tenn beats UGA, they should jump Texas (results against common opponent).

So, what about Tennessee's win over Bama in this scenario?
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 1:58 pm to
I'm not sure on that, I don't really think it matters if they lose to UGA. If they win, it only helps their case to be ranked #2 in the next poll.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 2:21 pm to
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That doesn't really matter. Results against common opponents matters more.


Results against common opponents only matters so much.

UGA lost to OM head to head on the road. They also beat UK on the road and UK beat OM at OM.

UTk beat UK at home. OM lost to UK at home.

OM beat Arkansas on the road. UTk lost to Arkansas on the road.

Bama beat LSU on the road. OM lost to LSU on the road.

UGA lost to Bama on the road... who lost to UTk on the road... who in this scenario would lose to UGA on the road.

Bama lost to Vandy on the road while UTk would have beaten Vandy on the road in this scenario.

Head to head and different results against the same opponents really doesn't explain how those 4 10-2 teams should be ranked. You have to just look at their wins and losses as whole rather than head to head or common opponents because head to head and common opponents doesn't give an answer of how to rank those 4 teams.

head to head says that OM should be ahead of UGA but gives no ranking for UGA/UT/Bama.

Common opponents outside of head to head suggest UT over Bama, UT over OM, OM over UT, Bama over OM and UGA over OM.

It just doesn't work.


This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 2:34 pm to
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You have to just look at their wins and losses as whole rather than head to head or common opponents because head to head and common opponents doesn't give an answer of how to rank those 4 teams


Then it goes to SOS. The OP is talking about OM and Tenn, what Georgia has done has nothing to do with the conversation. If Tenn beats UGA, they should by the committees own rules be ranked ahead of OM and even Texas. If Tenn loses to UGA, they should be ranked behind OM.

quote:

The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

- Strength of schedule,
- Head-to-head competition,
- Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory),
- Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.


Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 2:36 pm to
no
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 2:37 pm to
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Thats why they're sitting their qb. So they can have an excuse.



The smartest thing Tennessee can do is sit Nico and claim the Georgia loss only happened because of their backup.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 2:42 pm to
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The OP is talking about OM and Tenn, what Georgia has done has nothing to do with the conversation.


It absolutely does matter because they aren't ranking OM and Tenn in a vacuum. They're creating the overall ranking which will include UGA, Bama and a bunch of other teams.

People tend to ignore that in threads like this but you can't. Because if you look at each team compared to another individually you come out with a scenario where Bama should be ahead of UGA who should be ahead of UT who should be ahead of Bama and UT should be both ahead and behind OM, while OM should be ahead of UGA and Bama should be ahead of OM and it just doesn't work.

Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
5309 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 2:58 pm to
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It absolutely does matter because they aren't ranking OM and Tenn in a vacuum. They're creating the overall ranking which will include UGA, Bama and a bunch of other teams.


It's actually really simple. If Tenn beats UGA, they jump up to 3, maybe 2. If Tenn loses to UGA, then OM moves up and Tenn moves back. The committee isn't throwing "well Tenn Beat Bama" in there to justify OM jumping Tenn. Tenn would have the better win against UGA (on the road) and a better record. They move ahead of OM. Again, I'm not sure why you're dragging UGA into a conversation about Tenn and OM both beating UGA. If Tenn beats UGA, then UGA has 3 losses and wont be anywhere close to being in the top 12. It's a moot point.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6042 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

VOLhalla


Vandy is lurking in the deep, and they will take your souls
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 5:04 pm to
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It's actually really simple. If Tenn beats UGA, they jump up to 3, maybe 2. If Tenn loses to UGA, then OM moves up and Tenn moves back. The committee isn't throwing "well Tenn Beat Bama" in there to justify OM jumping Tenn. Tenn would have the better win against UGA (on the road) and a better record.


Some problems with your logic.

If Tenn loses to UGA, they have the same record as OM. They also have a BETTER win than Ole Miss (Alabama is ranked ahead of UGA).

If UT beats UGA it doesn't matter at all.

But Tennessee with a loss creates a situation with 4 teams with 2-losses from the SEC that are not easily ranked due to inconsistent results.

UGA beat Tenn who beat Bama who beat UGA.
UGA beat UK who beat OM who beat UGA.
Tenn also beat UK who beat OM.
Tenn also would have beaten Vandy who beat Bama.
OM would have beaten Arkansas who beat Tenn.

They're going to have to figure out how to sort those teams out if it does go down that way. They'll probably end up disregarding head to head and common opponents and just rank based on how good their wins and losses were overall. Or perhaps just choose the teams highest that they really want in the playoffs most.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
5309 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 6:51 pm to
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But Tennessee with a loss creates a situation with 4 teams with 2-losses from the SEC that are not easily ranked due to inconsistent results.

Tenn drops right behind UGA(assuming it’s close). Everyone else moves up.

The committee will simply move Tenn behind UGA, it doesn’t matter if they beat Alabama. Alabama has looked really good these last few weeks and their loss to Vandy looks better than Tenns loss to Arkansas.
Posted by AllVols
Member since Nov 2022
52 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:31 pm to
Assuming Bama, UGA, TN, and Ole Miss finish as two loss teams, they should all be ahead of IU and Penn State (assuming they finish 11-1). Their best wins are over a currently 5 and 5 Michigan team.

If that holds and either get in over our teams, keep the conference schedule at 8 games and everybody needs to schedule 4 OOC cupcakes. SOS will clearly mean nothing.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 9:32 pm
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