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re: Does a national title from coach Saban this season
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:26 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:26 am to pvilleguru
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1941 is the only bogus one. All the others are either AP, UPI, or we went to the Rose Bowl (1925, 26, 30, and 34).
Alabama was only the best team in the country about half of those years.
So it really depends on if you define a national championship as a year when you earned it by being the best team on the field or whether you just want any type of recognition you think is noteworthy enough to make a claim to, even when the facts do not support a championship claim.
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:30 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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So it really depends on if you define a national championship as a year when you earned it by being the best team on the field or whether you just want any type of recognition you think is noteworthy enough to make a claim to, even when the facts do not support a championship claim.
But in the system that was in place at the time, the recognition one received by winning the AP or the UPI meant that you did earn it on the field. It's a flawed system but it's the system that was agreed to.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:31 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Alabama was only the best team in the country about half of those years.
So it really depends on if you define a national championship as a year when you earned it by being the best team on the field or whether you just want any type of recognition you think is noteworthy enough to make a claim to, even when the facts do not support a championship claim.
The NCAA recognizes all of them,,,,furthermore in those days the champion was decided much differently than today....this was the era before bowls and even then bowls were an afterthought and didn't factor into the NC picture....Notre Dame who ruled the roost back in the day refused to particpate in bowls until the late 60's or early 70's
I agree that 41 is tenuous at best....but following the logic of the posters of the board, we should have 15 becuase if you take away 41, we should have won in 66 and 77...Bama was definetely screwed both those years....so LSU fans need to STFU about getting screwed because Bama has been on the receiving end a couple of times.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:33 am to pvilleguru
FIFY
Seems kind of silly doesn't it? 9 national championships, 2 in the last 3, knocking on the door of 3 of the last 4, is AWESOME. Instead of celebrating it, people don't know how many Alabama actually has...so they just assume it's far less...so not only do you not get the credit you deserve, you end up looking really pathetic...it's really puzzling.
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1941 is the only bogus one, except for the other 4 bogus ones. All the others are either AP, UPI, or we went to the Rose Bowl (1925, 26, 30, and 34)i.e...also bogus.
Seems kind of silly doesn't it? 9 national championships, 2 in the last 3, knocking on the door of 3 of the last 4, is AWESOME. Instead of celebrating it, people don't know how many Alabama actually has...so they just assume it's far less...so not only do you not get the credit you deserve, you end up looking really pathetic...it's really puzzling.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:34 am to 14&Counting
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LSU fans need to STFU about getting screwed
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:34 am to pvilleguru
As previously posted on here...the early years they had several NC's awarded by publications other than upi/ap......some were completely bogus. One year, they were awarded a NC over a team that actually beat them during the regular season....and finished with same record (not by ap/upi). Three other years, they had bogus news agencies award them nc's.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:36 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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So it really depends on if you define a national championship as a year when you earned it by being the best team on the field or whether you just want any type of recognition you think is noteworthy enough to make a claim to, even when the facts do not support a championship claim.
You use the system that is in place. The winner of the AP and UPI polls were the champions until the BCS started. That alone gives us 9. The other 4 years we played in the only bowl game that was around and we either won (1925, 30, 34) and were undefeated/untied, or tied (1926) and finished 9-0-1.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:39 am to VC
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One year, they were awarded a NC over a team that actually beat them during the regular season....and finished with same record (not by ap/upi).
Oh really? Which year was this?
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:39 am to VC
What is pathetic is LSU and Auburn fans dissecting Bama's NC's....both programs accomplishments combined still don't compare to Bama's who by the way is currently the defending National Champion and no one is disputing that.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:41 am to VC
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In all seriousness,,,, the fact that he brought LSU back from the bottom dwellers of college football, (not just the SEC) cements him as the best modern coach in college football..
LSU was down in the 90's...no doubt.....they did have a stockpile of talent when Saban took over...much like when he took over at bama. LSU was pretty good in the mid to late 80's (a few orange and sugar bowls) so not really 15 years. Alabama can relate to having a down several years.
Yes we can,,, but I am proud those years are over.
Saban could probably go to any school in the SEC (excluding Vandy, UK, UM or Miss St) and win a National Title.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:41 am to GhostBuster6
and yes, if he wins another this year, he is the best college coach from the last 20 years.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:45 am to tkane311
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you end up looking really pathetic
a bit dramatic? It's just a football game, Bama fans recognize the amount the University gives credit for. Same with every other school. Some schools smudge the numbers some don't, not a big deal.
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:49 am to GhostBuster6
Every Saban team has fallen flat on its face in terms of the expectations the year after he's won the NC. Just saying. I don't see this year being any different with the significant losses on defense. Oline is going to be stout, but I just don't see very many play makers on offense outside of an injured Lacy.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:51 am to pvilleguru
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One year, they were awarded a NC over a team that actually beat them during the regular season....and finished with same record (not by ap/upi).
Oh really? Which year was this?
1978?
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:52 am to pvilleguru
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One year, they were awarded a NC over a team that actually beat them during the regular season....and finished with same record (not by ap/upi).
Oh really? Which year was this?
1978, USC.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:53 am to 14&Counting
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in those days the champion was decided much differently than today....this was the era before bowls and even then bowls were an afterthought and didn't factor into the NC
Except in the years when Alabama needs to claim a NC by virtue of winning the Rose Bowl, I guess.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:53 am to bona fide
quote:He was right about that
"I have to say, I don't see Bama staying within 2 TDs on 1/9." Maximus
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:54 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Which year was this?
1978, USC.
Notre Dame in 1973, too, in UPI, although it wasn't a regular season game.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:54 am to pvilleguru
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You use the system that is in place.
Therein lies a problem as well. Take a look at 1964 and 1965. Bama uses one method one year to make a title claim and uses the exact opposite method/arguement the following year in an attempt to claim both titles which is total hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 10:55 am to pvilleguru
In 1934, Alabama was Co-Champion of the SEC, but finished third in the inaugural AP Poll. Minnesota beat the Tide 50 to 5.5 first-place votes. All of the consensus selectors picked Minnesota.
Who picked Alabama? Houlgate, Poling, and Williamson. Paul Williamson was a geologist from New Orleans. His picks have a distinctive bent.
In 1930, Notre Dame (10-0) was chosen as champion by Helms, NFF, Dickinson, and almost all others. Alabama (9-0) was third, but beat No. 2 Washington in the Rose Bowl. Who picked Alabama? Parke Davis, Sagarin, and Football Research.
n 1973, Bear Bryant's Tide, ranked No. 1, met Ara Parseghian's No. 3 Fighting Irish in a legendary Sugar Bowl. Notre Dame topped Alabama with a last-minute field goal, 24-23.
Every authority gave ND the championship except the Coaches Poll, which still gave its trophy prior to the Bowls. The Coaches Poll rectified their embarrassment by changing their final vote to after the bowls, beginning the next year. Alabama ends their season with another bowl loss.
Strike another title from the list.
There are actually others……..I didn’t even put 1941 in here, for when they finished 20th in the nation, but claim a championship
Who picked Alabama? Houlgate, Poling, and Williamson. Paul Williamson was a geologist from New Orleans. His picks have a distinctive bent.
In 1930, Notre Dame (10-0) was chosen as champion by Helms, NFF, Dickinson, and almost all others. Alabama (9-0) was third, but beat No. 2 Washington in the Rose Bowl. Who picked Alabama? Parke Davis, Sagarin, and Football Research.
n 1973, Bear Bryant's Tide, ranked No. 1, met Ara Parseghian's No. 3 Fighting Irish in a legendary Sugar Bowl. Notre Dame topped Alabama with a last-minute field goal, 24-23.
Every authority gave ND the championship except the Coaches Poll, which still gave its trophy prior to the Bowls. The Coaches Poll rectified their embarrassment by changing their final vote to after the bowls, beginning the next year. Alabama ends their season with another bowl loss.
Strike another title from the list.
There are actually others……..I didn’t even put 1941 in here, for when they finished 20th in the nation, but claim a championship
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