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re: Diving a little deeper into the "Aaron Murray hasn't beaten a ranked team" thing
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:17 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:17 am to Robot Santa
I would've given my left arm to have Murray last year.
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Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:22 am to TurDuken
No you wouldn't have. Murray would have been benched at LSU. LSU was great last year because they had one of the best turnover margins ever.
Murray alone had 19 turnovers last year.
LSU with Murray loses 3 games atleast last year.
Murray alone had 19 turnovers last year.
LSU with Murray loses 3 games atleast last year.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:23 am to TurDuken
If Murray were at LSU last year he would have been second string behind Jefferson.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:33 am to mwlewis
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If Murray were at LSU last year he would have been second string behind Jefferson
Possibly, but not because he wasn't better than Jefferson.
Les is way too loyal to upperclassmen, he lives and dies with them.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:34 am to TurDuken
I the qb position, let me clarify that.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:35 am to mwlewis
He would have been smashed by Hightower on the short side option and fumbled.
One of the main reason JJ was favored over JL is because JL was a turnover machine.
One of the main reason JJ was favored over JL is because JL was a turnover machine.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:37 am to TurDuken
As far as turnover margin, we would have to determine this when he gets reps with LSU's offense.
This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:58 am to TurDuken
Offensive scheme played some part in his turnovers, but his small hands, lack of height, and poor decision making were the main reasons.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:10 am to mwlewis
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If Murray were at LSU last year he would have been second string behind Jefferson.
Lol, wut?
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:31 am to WG_Dawg
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#1 LSU- L, 10-42 16/40, 163 yards, 1/2
Bad stats for Murray, although he had 2 sure touchdowns in the first half hit receivers in the hands and were dropped. That's not his fault. We gave up 200 yards on the ground and allowed a ST touchdown to the team ranked #1 all season long. It would've taken an A+ effort in all phases of the game to win and we obviously didn't. But I definitely don't see how Murray would be to blame for this loss. We simply lost to a better team.
he lost a fumble on UGA's 20 that was a huge swing of momentum. 2 picks on top of that with one being a pick 6 is prettty impressive
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:35 am to WG_Dawg
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So there you have it. A woefully bad record against ranked teams, but when you look closer he really isn't to blame for many of them. For people who say "Murray is overrated because he can't beat ranked teams", I would point out that the reason he hasn't beaten more is largely due to the defense in those games especially in 2010 under a first year coordinator.
Soooooooooooooo has he beaten a ranked team or not? From the sounds of it you're saying its not that Murray can't be a ranked team.. but UGA as a team can't do it
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:40 am to WG_Dawg
The USCe game last year showed me everything I need to know about Aaron Murray. He can make plays, but for every great play he makes, he pulls an epic fail and mentally collapses. I think he could be a solid QB in a system that does not allow him to do much, but he is not mentally ready to be set free in the way Richt manages him.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:42 am to Monticello
Usually I disagree with about all you say, gotta go ahead and preface this, but this time I completely agree. I think Murray is a good QB but with such a mediocre run game and OL he's really being asked to carry the offense. I think if this team were more balanced he'd flourish but right now he's doing pretty good with a good many areas that could stand improvement
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:51 am to Damn Good Dawg
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I think Murray is a good QB but with such a mediocre run game and OL he's really being asked to carry the offense. I think if this team were more balanced he'd flourish
Yea he is being asked to play the role of an Oklahoma gunslinger but his skill set does not match that.
The East is going to be very interesting to watch this year. UGA, UT, UF, Mizzou, and USCe should all be better teams than they were last year and UT and UF have the potential to vastly improve their record. It should be a very offense heavy division that could be a lot more competitive than people realize.
This might be the best group of QB's the SEC has had in 20 years. Wilson, Bray, McCarron, Murray, Shaw, Franklin, and possibly Mettenburger are all going to be in the top 25 or so QB's in the nation.
This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/4/12 at 11:53 am to Monticello
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could be a lot more competitive than people realize.
Yes after SC 2-7 will be very competitive.
:chhers:
Posted on 8/4/12 at 12:10 pm to Damn Good Dawg
WC I enjoyed your thread...very well thought out and you tried to use examples to state your case which is good...Im a stat guy.
I will let you know what I honestly think of Murray...as a player not as a rival (oh ok...you know the urge is there)
He is a party animal...went to Plant High School in Tampa (born and raised there)...its old money and the kids there tend to be a little spoiled compared to other urban schools. Its ok to party, but thats what happened to another qb that UGA had in the 2006-08 era...it was party city and all over the social media. You wont see our qbs doing that....or most SEC schools.
Murray is a smidgen under 6 foot and is short for qb...and yes I know Brees is the same stature, but he does have tendency to throw picks under pressure (as do most qbs)...his hands are small and that has transended into fumbles. He suffers from lack of solid run game the past few years and actually has been directly affected by the lack of pass rush pick up by a certain rb no longer on your team (watch the fumble against Boise and who whiffed).
Ive listed the shortcomings...but here are the attributes: he is extremely accurate as a passer and anticipates wrs coming open well considering he has only played as an underclassmen so far. I think the team respects him and that will be more evident this year now that he is a r/s junior. He does try to win games with his arm and thats good/bad...but when the run game isnt allowing third downs and short yardage..it forces him to try to move chains a lot.
He has fairly good mobility to avoid sacks, when you look at meager rushing attack...thats even more important and impressive....since pass rush is usually being felt early & often.
Murray would be better fit at another school. I dont know how much he considered UF since we had Tebow and the spread..plus coaching questions. Its not helped him to be under Richts wing imho. He needs a strict discipline and a boot in the rear at times...not just a hug from Richt. With a solid run game he would flourish imho. BTW he will probably have 95% chance of staying at UGA for his sr year since the pros are hung up with measureables, height/.weight etc etc...but he could be successful at the next level.
I will let you know what I honestly think of Murray...as a player not as a rival (oh ok...you know the urge is there)
He is a party animal...went to Plant High School in Tampa (born and raised there)...its old money and the kids there tend to be a little spoiled compared to other urban schools. Its ok to party, but thats what happened to another qb that UGA had in the 2006-08 era...it was party city and all over the social media. You wont see our qbs doing that....or most SEC schools.
Murray is a smidgen under 6 foot and is short for qb...and yes I know Brees is the same stature, but he does have tendency to throw picks under pressure (as do most qbs)...his hands are small and that has transended into fumbles. He suffers from lack of solid run game the past few years and actually has been directly affected by the lack of pass rush pick up by a certain rb no longer on your team (watch the fumble against Boise and who whiffed).
Ive listed the shortcomings...but here are the attributes: he is extremely accurate as a passer and anticipates wrs coming open well considering he has only played as an underclassmen so far. I think the team respects him and that will be more evident this year now that he is a r/s junior. He does try to win games with his arm and thats good/bad...but when the run game isnt allowing third downs and short yardage..it forces him to try to move chains a lot.
He has fairly good mobility to avoid sacks, when you look at meager rushing attack...thats even more important and impressive....since pass rush is usually being felt early & often.
Murray would be better fit at another school. I dont know how much he considered UF since we had Tebow and the spread..plus coaching questions. Its not helped him to be under Richts wing imho. He needs a strict discipline and a boot in the rear at times...not just a hug from Richt. With a solid run game he would flourish imho. BTW he will probably have 95% chance of staying at UGA for his sr year since the pros are hung up with measureables, height/.weight etc etc...but he could be successful at the next level.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 12:32 pm to WG_Dawg
He isn't to blame for some of them, but he doesn't have a good track record against good teams. It's not like he goes out and has stellar stats game after game and the defense keeps letting him down. That's the case for a few games, but if he wants to be considered a top qb he has to go win a few games for his team against good defenses.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 12:59 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:How the hell do you not throw for 300 against Boise?
#5 Boise- L, 21-35 16/29, 236 yards, 2/1
Posted on 8/6/12 at 12:14 am to WG_Dawg
Not sure if you care, but Murray's two wins against ranked teams you list weren't ranked at the end of the season, which IMHO is the best week to pull rankings from since everyone's played and you have a better idea of how good teams actually are. I wouldn't count Bama's win against Penn State last year a win against a ranked opponent because they weren't ranked at the end of the season.
I think the only exception to this argument is team injuries. For example Florida was ranked at the time we played them last season, and maybe the team we played deserved to be ranked. They weren't ranked at the end of the season... but maybe if all the injuries hadn't occurred they should have been.
I think the only exception to this argument is team injuries. For example Florida was ranked at the time we played them last season, and maybe the team we played deserved to be ranked. They weren't ranked at the end of the season... but maybe if all the injuries hadn't occurred they should have been.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 12:16 am to tween the hedges
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We'll show them all this year when Murray makes a Heisman run.
yes cuz you will be on the field with the team
murray is vastly overrated
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