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re: Desperation - ACC, Big 10, PAC 12 in discussion to form an alliance
Posted on 8/13/21 at 11:18 pm to ShowMeHorns
Posted on 8/13/21 at 11:18 pm to ShowMeHorns
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They have no quality teams anymore.
Disagree, Oklahoma State is a quality team.
Agree, Okie State and TCU get more TV viewership than probably 80% of the PAC...Yet the PAC is turning their noses up at them. The PAC will be dead soon enough. The BIG will raid them...
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:13 am to AZHorn
Another proposal for the alliance.
Form an English type promotion system between two tiers. The high tier would have a critical mass of highly rated teams. Teams in lower tier would be motivated to move to higher tier.
You could also have a promotion/demotion in mid-season so even teams that start out in the lower tier could hope to move to the upper tier within that year.
If they think outside the box, they could create something very interesting.
Form an English type promotion system between two tiers. The high tier would have a critical mass of highly rated teams. Teams in lower tier would be motivated to move to higher tier.
You could also have a promotion/demotion in mid-season so even teams that start out in the lower tier could hope to move to the upper tier within that year.
If they think outside the box, they could create something very interesting.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:18 am to BigRedNewKingOfSEC
Get the frick out of here with that bullshite
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:43 am to TheBiggestBrother
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Get the frick out of here with that bullshitee
Is that to me?
Just thinking of out-of-the-box ideas that could generate tremendous interest. SEC could incorporate these concepts too.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:49 am to DabosDynasty
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If the Big10 actually merged with another conference it would be the PAC12 due to the prevalence of AAU schools in the conference. But they don’t need to merge, they can take the AAU schools they want in the same fashion the SEC took Texas and OU. The tv deals run out on a similar timeframe.
The Big 10 should consider a football only membership which doesn't include an academic association like full Big 10 schools. That way they could maintain the academic value of full membership but get football value out of non-AAU teams.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 4:09 am to BigRedNewKingOfSEC
If USC stopped fricking around and put its big boy pants on again, the Pac 12 wouldn't be in the situation it is. They've gone through 3 coaches now trying to hire Pete Carroll's assistants hoping to catch the same lightning in the bottle.
The Pac 12's problem is that too many of their programs that *should* be top 25 more often than not with a contender or two a year (USC, Washington, Oregon while Phil Knight lives, sometimes ASU, UCLA and Utah) are inconsistent screw ups. Washington and Oregon have been pretty consistent, but USC should be a monster and UCLA and ASU should at least be rock solid and a scary road trip. If they didn't decide to bank on the equity of owning their own stupid TV network and instead did the same thing as everyone else, they'd have more cashflow and be in much better shape to can bad coaches and get it together.
But Larry Scott's gone now, and new guy seems like he might have a good head on his shoulders. It wasn't so long ago that the Pac 12 was considered the 2nd strongest top to bottom conference after the SEC. Their problems were created internally. Once they fix themselves, it's a pretty good bet they'll suddenly stop feeling so "irrelevant". They've got the fastest growing population centers in the country and somehow they're the ones who got left out to dry in the TV wars.
Their problems are fixable and some kind of alliance with the Big Ten and ACC seems like a pretty good start. I think all of CFB would benefit if USC and the occasional other Pac 12 team were competitive with the other powers. Who wouldn't love to see Bama versus a Pete Carrollesque USC team where basically every single player on the field is going to the League?
The Pac 12's problem is that too many of their programs that *should* be top 25 more often than not with a contender or two a year (USC, Washington, Oregon while Phil Knight lives, sometimes ASU, UCLA and Utah) are inconsistent screw ups. Washington and Oregon have been pretty consistent, but USC should be a monster and UCLA and ASU should at least be rock solid and a scary road trip. If they didn't decide to bank on the equity of owning their own stupid TV network and instead did the same thing as everyone else, they'd have more cashflow and be in much better shape to can bad coaches and get it together.
But Larry Scott's gone now, and new guy seems like he might have a good head on his shoulders. It wasn't so long ago that the Pac 12 was considered the 2nd strongest top to bottom conference after the SEC. Their problems were created internally. Once they fix themselves, it's a pretty good bet they'll suddenly stop feeling so "irrelevant". They've got the fastest growing population centers in the country and somehow they're the ones who got left out to dry in the TV wars.
Their problems are fixable and some kind of alliance with the Big Ten and ACC seems like a pretty good start. I think all of CFB would benefit if USC and the occasional other Pac 12 team were competitive with the other powers. Who wouldn't love to see Bama versus a Pete Carrollesque USC team where basically every single player on the field is going to the League?
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 6:02 am
Posted on 8/14/21 at 4:22 am to ChapelHillSooner
A Pac 12 and Big 10 merger would work by the Big Ten's academic standards if they were willing to tell Oregon State and Washington State to take a hike. 9 of the other 10 are AAU, and the one that isn't (ASU) is still a very large research school that would be AAU if not for its charter.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:27 am to DabosDynasty
kansas (NEVER capitalized) should go to the Mountain West or AAC.
They bring no value to anyone in a major conference and they can teach the little schools how to cheat and get away with it.
They bring no value to anyone in a major conference and they can teach the little schools how to cheat and get away with it.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:31 am to The Winner
Ikr, in the last round of expansion the B1G added those football powerhouses of Maryland and Rutgers. More surprisingly, ESPN and Fox gave the conference more money for such stellar additions
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:01 am to JBlutarsky
They are an AAU school which the Big10 values, clearly, and are good at basketball which would help the Big10 in a sport they value and are elite at as a conference.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:15 am to AZHorn
Welcome to the nfc versus the afc. College football will officially suck
Congratulations. Wait until sponsors start paying scholarships. Texas will have 40 “walk ons “ plus scholarship players
I’m already starting to lose interest in college sports. And I live for this shite
Congratulations. Wait until sponsors start paying scholarships. Texas will have 40 “walk ons “ plus scholarship players
I’m already starting to lose interest in college sports. And I live for this shite
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:25 am to The Winner
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AAC > Big 12
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8 left in the Big 12 still better than AAC
Will likely see 2-4 AAC teams leave for the Big 12 making big 12 clearly the 5th best conference (though far from top 2-3) with a chance to complete with Pac for 4th best
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:44 am to DabosDynasty
Yeah, I agree, kansas will find a home in a major conference once the dust settles.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:48 am to Jake81
It ultimately comes down to revenue and the SEC far & away has the best product. If these other conferences can't figure out how to follow suit, no "voting alliance" is going to keep them from falling into obscurity. It's less rigid & more dynamic future and the SEC is running the show..
Posted on 8/14/21 at 8:00 am to KingofTexas
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Perhaps the top schools in all 3 leagues will merge. That would be a strong league with some political clout
More likley the top of the big 10 merges with the top of the ACC OR PAC, but not both
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:36 am to Tiger2tiger97
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Voting together that will harm the sec. like not expanding the playoffs
I don’t understand this argument. Playoff expansion favors the other conferences. The SEC is way more likely to get 2 of 4 in than 6 of 12 with the expanded format. That point just seems like a temper tantrum devoid of reason.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:46 am to Brisketeer
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That point just seems like a temper tantrum devoid of reason.
Its about the only move they could make that could top what the SEC just pulled off. But why do an alliance, just merge together and be done with it.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:07 pm to wablty
What is the love affair with the AAU? I mean Stoney Brook, Buffalo, ETC. Big frikken deal
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:15 pm to JBlutarsky
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kansas (NEVER capitalized) should go to the Mountain West or AAC.
They bring no value to anyone in a major conference and they can teach the little schools how to cheat and get away with it.
I actually disagree with this. Let's imagine a scenario where Kansas becomes a member of the Big 10 but KSU, Ok. St., etc. are left out.
The move might initially be to add the KU basketball program but in time they would have huge recruiting advantages over the teams who were left out. In a few years KU could become a lot more attractive to football recruits than KSU.
You could probably make that argument out of any of the schools in a scenario where others are left out but with KU you get the basketball cred as well.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:23 pm to Jake81
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More likley the top of the big 10 merges with the top of the ACC OR PAC, but not both
My first thought was that this would be impossible with the ACC due to their long term grant-of-rights but if the merger picked up a majority of the current ACC teams, could that majority cancel the grant-of-rights by a vote?
Would be interesting if the top half of ACC merged with top half of the Big 10. Think FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St., Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Indiana.
It would be a power, include a large part of the country but still have a contiguous footprint.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:28 pm
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