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re: Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:34 am to stapuffmarshy
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:34 am to stapuffmarshy
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can't win your division/conference shouldn't make some national championship game, don't see what the big problem with that is.....except for one fan base
Maybe in your world, a 3 loss or 4 loss ACC champ is deserving to be in a playoff over a 1 loss, non SEC champ. Not mine.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:35 am to RollTide1987
I have absolutely no problem with a same season rematch game if it's in either the CCG or a playoff situation. Last year's game shouldn't have happened, two best teams or not. I'd say the exact same thing if it were Texas-Oklahoma, Stanford-Oregon, or Ohio State-Michigan. College football in its current state puts so much on the regular season, that the season itself becomes a "playoff", and last season, "they" just completely acted like 11/5 never happened.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:37 am to Bellabama
Some folks can't see big picture and are basing their decisions and arguments over the anger of losing the NC a few months ago. I personally, still think moving to a playoff is a bad idea. The BCS has been overall, pretty successful. Many on here are too young to remember what it was like before the BCS. The Big 10 and Pac 10 were big hurdles in even getting the BCS. Controversy is BYU winning the NC by beating #23 in a Bowl game, the only ranked opponent they faced that year. 
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:37 am to stapuffmarshy
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4 conference champs takes away all media bias and bs
Which 4 conference champs get selected and how? There are currently 6 AQ conferences.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:40 am to InLesWeTrust
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Last year's game shouldn't have happened, two best teams or not
This is where logic goes out the window. The BCS is to match the two highest ranked teams, which ideally is the two best teams. Your statement nullifies that and is based on emotion.
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and last season, "they" just completely acted like 11/5 never happened.
wtf?
Okie St lost their next to the last game of the season. How many times have you seen teams that lost at the beginning of the year move ahead of those that lost late? How many times have you heard the argument, it's when you lose? Last year was no different. It just happened to match Lsu up with the only team capable of beating them. Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:40 am to Alahunter
It is what it is, and most of us will have absolutely no say in what happens in college football reform.
That said, all conference comparisons aside, I've always felt that if a team finishes #2 in its own little conference that it is technically impossible for that team to be #1 in the nation.
That's why I like Delany's proposal...It's a nice compromise. It gives preferential treatment to conference champions in the Top6, but it also still allows for the possibility of a team that didn't win its conference to make the playoff (for example, in 2011 under Delany's proposal LSU would have played Oregon and Bama would have played Oklahoma State).
That said, all conference comparisons aside, I've always felt that if a team finishes #2 in its own little conference that it is technically impossible for that team to be #1 in the nation.
That's why I like Delany's proposal...It's a nice compromise. It gives preferential treatment to conference champions in the Top6, but it also still allows for the possibility of a team that didn't win its conference to make the playoff (for example, in 2011 under Delany's proposal LSU would have played Oregon and Bama would have played Oklahoma State).
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:41 am to InLesWeTrust
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I have absolutely no problem with a same season rematch game if it's in either the CCG or a playoff situation. Last year's game shouldn't have happened, two best teams or not. I'd say the exact same thing if it were Texas-Oklahoma, Stanford-Oregon, or Ohio State-Michigan. College football in its current state puts so much on the regular season, that the season itself becomes a "playoff", and last season, "they" just completely acted like 11/5 never happened
I understand what you're saying but you have to remember that Okie State's loss to Iowa State and Stanford's loss to Oregon took place in the regular season and should not have been dismissed. The reason Bama got in was because all 3 teams loss 1 game but Bama's loss was more impressive than the other 2. In that respect, the regular season was very much a factor in determining who played for the championship.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:41 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Which 4 conference champs get selected and how? There are currently 6 AQ conferences.
They are doing away with automatic qualifiers if I remember correctly. Every team will now have a shot at the championship.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 9:42 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:46 am to RollTide1987
So, in 2007, Hawaii would have gotten to have a shot at the Championship but not Georgia?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:46 am to JPLSU1981
Top 4 teams. Period. Jim Delaney cant have his cake and fricking eat it too when his conference hasnt won a BCS championship in 10 years and has only won 1 of them all time.
You need to get a little weight before you can start throwing it around.
You need to get a little weight before you can start throwing it around.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:48 am to ThaKaptin
So last year, for example, you think Stanford should have gotten in the playoff and not Oregon?
Keep in mind that Oregon beat Stanford, played a tougher schedule than Stanford, and won Stanford's conference.
Under the "Top4 Period" system, it would have been LSU-Stanford and Bama-Okie State.....Under Delany's propsal it would have been LSU-Oregon and Bama-Oklahoma State.
Keep in mind that Oregon beat Stanford, played a tougher schedule than Stanford, and won Stanford's conference.
Under the "Top4 Period" system, it would have been LSU-Stanford and Bama-Okie State.....Under Delany's propsal it would have been LSU-Oregon and Bama-Oklahoma State.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:51 am to JPLSU1981
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That's why I like Delany's proposal...It's a nice compromise. It gives preferential treatment to conference champions in the Top6, but it also still allows for the possibility of a team that didn't win its conference to make the playoff (for example, in 2011 under Delany's proposal LSU would have played Oregon and Bama would have played Oklahoma State).
But it doesn't really solve anything. Why does Delaney insist on providing a potential out for teams that didn't win their conference ahead of conference winners not in the top 6 but makes an exception for non division winners? It makes absolutely no sense until you study it closely. Eliminating non-division winners basically cancels out the compromise he just offered for teams that didn't win their conference. It's a BS move that is designed to trick people that aren't paying close attention.
LSU fans are going to let their reactionary emotions to last year sucker them in to a plan that will hurt the SEC in the long term. LSU would have stayed home and watched 2 loss Oregon and 2 loss Wisconsin play for a national title if they lost 9-6 in OT at Alabama. Ranked a strong solid #2 in the final poll yet that entire brilliant season down the drain because they didn't win their division. I can't believe some of you don't see that and/or are completely fine with that scenario playing out.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:51 am to JPLSU1981
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Under the "Top4 Period" system, it would have been LSU-Stanford and Bama-Okie State.....Under Delany's propsal it would have been LSU-Oregon and Bama-Oklahoma State.
This proposal doesn't bother me as much as if they start letting teams like Boise and Hawaii in rather than Alabama or Stanford.
The AQ question is the sticking point.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:53 am to JPLSU1981
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So last year, for example, you think Stanford should have gotten in the playoff and not Oregon?
If that's how the rankings shook out, then yes.
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Under the "Top4 Period" system, it would have been LSU-Stanford and Bama-Okie State.....Under Delany's propsal it would have been LSU-Oregon and Bama-Oklahoma State.
No it wouldnt have. He said nobody that didnt at least win their division. That would have left Alabama, the number 2 team in the rankings (and the best team in the country) out in the cold. He is just pissed off because he doesnt want 2 sec teams in again when he knows that in all likelyhood that leaves his conference completely out since the Pac 12 and Big 12 both are probably gonna have teams finish higher than them.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:53 am to Govt Tide
Honestly, I don't think Delany is proposing a "don't win your division and you're out" clause...I just think that comment was played up by itself making it appear that he's proposing that.
His actual proposal is pretty simple....Top 4 conference champions are in the playoff as long as they are in the top6. If all four spots aren't filled, then the highest ranked non champion(s) will fill the remaining slots.
His actual proposal is pretty simple....Top 4 conference champions are in the playoff as long as they are in the top6. If all four spots aren't filled, then the highest ranked non champion(s) will fill the remaining slots.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:54 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Which 4 conference champs get selected and how?
the 4 best conference champs fool
let a committee select them
it's not that fricking hard
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:55 am to JPLSU1981
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Under Delany's propsal it would have been LSU-Oregon and Bama-Oklahoma State.
No it wouldn't have been. It would have been LSU vs. Wisconsin or Boise State and Oklahoma State vs. Oregon.
Consider this scenario if Bama had beat LSU 9-6 in OT on Nov 5th:
Alabama vs. 2 loss Wisconsin and Oklahoma State vs. 2 loss Oregon (who also lost big to LSU). LSU sitting at home because they didn't win their division.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:56 am to Govt Tide
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No it wouldn't have been. It would have been LSU vs. Wisconsin or Boise State and Oklahoma State vs. Oregon.
Incorrect.
In 2011, under Delany's propsal, it would have been LSU vs Oregon and Bama vs Oklahoma State. LINK
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In the plan Delany discussed, a conference champion automatically would qualify for the playoff if ranked in the top six. If fewer than four conference champions were among the top six, the remaining spots would be filled by the highest-ranked teams.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:56 am to Govt Tide
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LSU sitting at home because they didn't win their division.
ok
they should have won that game then
it's not that hard for normal fans/humans to grasp
we get that the Gumps don't fall into the human category though
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:57 am to Bellabama
It makes no sense to me to implement a system where the potential exists for the consensus top 2 teams in the country to be left out of a 4 team playoff
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