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re: Deion is becoming more and more unlikeable

Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:46 pm to
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:46 pm to
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CRT vibes

Cathode Ray Tubes??? You sure it's not OLED?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51152 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:56 pm to
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WILL NEVER HIRE A BLACK HEAD COACH. Prove me wrong


Alabama's two most recent basketball coaches, prior to the current coach, were both black. It is clear Alabama has no problem hiring black coaches.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33187 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:03 am to
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Okay, let's put it this way, Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, UGA, USC, Mizzou, and Tennessee WILL NEVER HIRE A BLACK HEAD COACH. Prove me wrong...


Uga would strongly consider Mel tucker if he began to prove his chops and Kirby decided to quit. Fran brown has that potential as well.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33187 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:05 am to
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Sanders own college, FSU, snubbed him.


By hiring willie taggart. I wonder what color he is…..
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33187 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:10 am to
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A white coach doesn't have to say it because 95% of CFB coaches are white.


No coach has to say it. Other black coaches don’t race bait, so that’s not an excuse to say it. It’s a Deion problem. Only racists use the race card.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:15 am to
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Sanders own college, FSU, snubbed him.

Sanders said FSU snubbed him. Ask him.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:23 am to
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Alabama's two most recent basketball coaches, prior to the current coach, were both black. It is clear Alabama has no problem hiring black coaches.
I played at UF.
Florida has hired plenty of black coaches. I just don't think they will ever hire a black football coach. It ain't happening. I don't think Bama and UGA will either. There's a whole lot more politics in football than most will ever know.

I know a guy that is close to a billionaire. He's donated millions to a certain university. His daughter was denied admission at said university. I don't think it was racist but it was definitely dumb. Good luck getting him to donate more money to that school. Same with SEC football. I'm not trying to say it's all about race, it's not. But there's a lot of dumb people including ADs out there that just don't get it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51152 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:28 am to
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Florida has hired plenty of black coaches. I just don't think they will ever hire a black football coach. It ain't happening. I don't think Bama and UGA will either. There's a whole lot more politics in football than most will ever know.


Alabama will hire whatever coach gives them the best opportunity to win. If he's black, they'll hire him.

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His daughter was denied admission at said university. I don't think it was racist but it was definitely dumb. Good luck getting him to donate more money to that school.


Unfortunately, a major court case in California made it clear schools can't give preferential treatment in admissions to large donors. Nobody is going to risk going to jail and losing their livelihood over this.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:29 am
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:37 am to
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No coach has to say it. Other black coaches don’t race bait, so that’s not an excuse to say it. It’s a Deion problem. Only racists use the race card.


Did you listen to what Sanders said? How was he playing the race card? This is exactly what he said...

These are things that have never been done, and it makes people uncomfortable,” Sanders added. “When you see a confident Black man sitting up here talking his talk and walking his walk; coaches and 75% of African Americans in the locker room, thats kind of threatening. But guess what? We are gonna consistently do what we are gonna do.”

I don't know Sanders, but it sounds to me like he was doubted by a lot of the media, especially getting rid of all the guys that were at Colorado. A lot of the media didn't like it and questioned if it would work. His answer is that he did something (adding 50+ new guys on the team) that was unheard of in CFB. It made people uncomfortable. Then to add, you see him a confident black man and all these black players and it's threatening.

I don't think he was saying he only coaches the black players. He was saying you see all these black guys and him as a black coach and the media gets threatened. Just my opinion. That's not even close to the definition of race baiting (incitement to ethnic or racial hatred). Deion loves to talk. He's not always very clear in what he's saying. Of course he's going to put his foot in his mouth but I've never heard anyone say that he hates anyone. I know a bunch of people that all say that he works his butt off helping young kids (this is before college). I don't see him as a hateful person. (I'm taking up for a Semenhole).
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:41 am to
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Unfortunately, a major court case in California made it clear schools can't give preferential treatment in admissions to large donors. Nobody is going to risk going to jail and losing their livelihood over this.
This was before the recent court case.

If I ran a school and you paid for the science wing. I'll be damn sure your kids kids get admitted if they wanted to. The courts can kiss my arse.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41871 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:01 am to
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Are you really going to puff your chest with 5 coaches at 4 schools (Vandy hired 2) in 90 years of SEC football?
There's no chest puffing going on here. I'm examining your claims. You said that SEC schools do not hire black coaches and I said that was an objectively false claim, seeing as SEC schools have hired black coaches. I then went on to say that if you narrowed the scope of your claim then you'd be more accurate.

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TAM hired Sumlin when they were in the B12, so he really doesn't count.
Sumlin becoming the coach before A&M officially joined the SEC doesn't help your case. First of all, A&M is an SEC school and they had a black head coach at some point in time during their tenure in the SEC, so that still counts. Secondly, he became the head coach after it was finalized that A&M would join the SEC, so a team that was in the process of joining the SEC hired a black coach. Lastly, the SEC let A&M join even though they had hired a black coach, and to my knowledge, there was no racial uproar about that decision.

And even if you threw out Sumlin as an example, that still doesn't counter the reality that other SEC schools have hired black coaches. So like I said, if you want to narrow the scope of your claim, you can be more accurate.

The onus is on you to back up your claims or insinuations of racism.

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Plus look at how quick they got rid of him even after he had a better record than Jimbo.
Quick? He was the head coach at A&M from 2012 to 2018 (6 seasons). That's not quick at all, as many coaches have been fired in shorter periods of time. Will Muschamp's tenure at Florida was 2 seasons shorter, for example. Also, Sumlin's best finish was 2nd in the West in his first year (with Johnny Manziel), and he consistently went 4th or 5th in the West during his time there. Fisher has a similar record but has two 2nd place finishes and a 3rd place finish. Last season was his worst season, and he could very well get canned if he doesn't turn things around this season, and that would give him as many seasons as Sumlin if he were fired. Hardly an example of racism so far.

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The SEC has been integrated with players for 55+ years and only 4 teams have ever hired ONE.
That's a true statement, however that doesn't mean they won't ever hire a black coach, and it doesn't prove there are racial motivations behind the lack of hiring of black coaches. That's on you to prove.

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Okay, let's put it this way, Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, UGA, USC, Mizzou, and Tennessee WILL NEVER HIRE A BLACK HEAD COACH. Prove me wrong...
How can you be proven wrong today about a claim of what will or will not happen in the future? If UGA hires their first black head coach 100 years from now, that would prove you wrong, but there's no way for me or anyone else to know that, so instead of making such outlandish claims, why don't you prove that racism is the cause of the shortage of black head coaches?

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Are you really trying to convince me, us, yourself that the 4 schools hiring 5 black head coaches in the history of the league, currently with no black head coaches in half a decade is good?
I'm not making a claim of good, bad, or otherwise. You said that no SEC team will ever hire a black head coach and I said that you were factually wrong about that, as multiple SEC schools have hired black head coaches.

And for the record, I don't care what the skin color of the head coaches are. I don't think it's good or bad that there have been few black head coaches. I'm not in charge of hiring, but I believe the coaches that give a team the best chance at winning are the right coaches for the job, regardless of the color of their skin. I don't believe that hiring someone based on social justice quotas is a good thing. I don't believe that there has to be proportional representation of racial demographics in every position based on the make up of the country. If I did, I'd be pushing for more whites and Hispanics playing football, but I don't care about the racial makeup of any of those positions, coaches or players. I'd support a successful black QB or head coach at UGA just as much as I'd support successful white QBs or head coaches.

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You then claimed that Deion didn't have enough experience??? He coached ~10 years before Jackson State.
The bulk of Sanders' coaching experience was with high schools, including a few years at an academy that he co-founded. High School coaching experience alone doesn't qualify a person for D1 FBS coaching gigs. Jackson State was his first "real" experience, and it was an FCS school, so it wasn't quite on the same level as being a coordinator or assistant at a D1 FBS school, which is where a lot of head coaches at that level come from. What is typical for coaching advancement has nothing to do with skin color.

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Did Ron Zook, Will Muschamp, Jim Shark fricker McElwain or Billy Napier have more Head coaching experience? Which one of them had/have more credentials than Deion, on and off the field?
Ron Zook had over 20 years of coaching experience between D1 FBS schools and NFL teams before becoming a head coach for the first time.

Will Muschamp had 15 years of coaching experience at D1 FBS schools and the NFL before getting his first head coaching job.

Jim McElwain had over 25 years of coaching experience at D1 FBS schools and the NFL before getting his first head coaching job.

Lastly, Bill Napier had 15 years of coaching experience before getting his first head coaching job.

Deion had less than 10 years of coaching experience at the high school level before getting his first shot at being a head coach at an FCS school, and then got his first FBS head coaching job after just three years. Deion got his first FBS head coaching job faster than all of the other men you listed. How is that racism?

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You also said it's about winning not color. Ask Sumlin or even Deion who had a better record in his first 3 years than Mike Norvell in his.
Why first 3 years? Sumlin stayed at A&M for 6 seasons, not 3. Deion had no FBS coaching experience prior to this season. Mike Norvell got his shot at head coaching after 10 seasons coaching at lower levels in college.

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What's really sad is the same folks that are calling out Deion, will NEVER, EVER call out the hypocrisy in the sport. You see what you want to see.
What hypocrisy are you referring to, specifically? I am happy to call out Deion's race-based commentary because I believe it is completely unnecessary and a distraction from the good things he's bringing to Colorado. If you point to evidence of racism (other than disparate results, which may occur without racism being involved), I'd be happy to call that out and get angry with you, but when you pull the race card at every turn, you start acting like the boy who cried wolf, and accusations of racism begin to lose their effectiveness. Save it for real acts of racism.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41871 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:04 am to
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Cathode Ray Tubes??? You sure it's not OLED?
You seem like someone who buys into Critical Race Theory so I highly doubt that you don't know what CRT means in this context.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33187 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:18 am to
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Sanders said FSU snubbed him. Ask him.


By hiring willie taggart. I wonder what color he is…..
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:41 am to
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People tend to be sensitive about others who make everything about race. Deion has been giving off CRT vibes recently with his offense of being called a “Nole” instead of referencing his more recent HBCU graduation in 2020.

Sanders isn't a racist & his whole life has been chasing Whites & looking for validation from them. He spurned FAMU for FSU( he was a kid I understand ). He & his kids have moved into the most prestigious White neighborhoods & Sanders couldn't wait to get to hell out of the SWAC & on to Boulder , but foolishly whines about race.


Sanders didn't really need the money & his Son & Hunter could have accomplished most all Football goals at an HBCU /Jackson State ..... except FBS playoffs & The Heisman ( SWAC legends Payton & Jerry Rice couldn't achieve it). He loves Whites / PWIs & wants your validation & to prove he can do what people mocked him for. Screw him & his whining.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 5:29 am
Posted by On The Edge
Member since Sep 2023
108 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:52 am to
When you move a clown into the palace, he doesn’t become a king. The palace becomes a circus.

Deion is that clown.
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5219 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:57 am to
I don’t have a problem with the talking trash. I do think the whole 75% thing is crap. It doesn’t matter if you’re a black or white coach. The best person should be the coach.

I do think it’s a double standard in how he talks to women reports; if it was someone else using the same unprofessional language they would be getting skewered by ESPN.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33187 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:28 am to
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I don't know Sanders, but it sounds to me like he was doubted by a lot of the media, especially getting rid of all the guys that were at Colorado. A lot of the media didn't like it and questioned if it would work.


Legitimate doubts that have nothing to do with racism. New coaches are doubted all the time. A loud mouthed white dude turning over a full 85 man roster would get the similar doubts.

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Then to add, you see him a confident black man and all these black players and it's threatening.


When questioning “how is he playing the race card?”, it’s odd to point out the moment in time he played the race card.
Posted by BhamTigah
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:18 am to
My biggest issue with Prime is that he had a bunch of Power 5 talent at an HBCU, then when he moves them to a Power 5 school he acts like he worked a miracle because those “HBCU kids” can compete in Power 5.

As a black man, I feel he is actually hurting the HBCUs in his approach. He brought positive attention when he was there but now he’s blowing up the good he did.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
42194 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:35 am to
Sanders may have some success along the way, but the end result will be Colorado having hard feelings toward him. There have been a myriad of idiot coaches who have had success, and even won national titles before flaming out.

The only thing you can count on is he will take all the credit and be sure to hog the spotlight along the way.

He has a tremendous track record of shitting on everything he touches. If you don't know the story of Prime Prep, then maybe you should see what happens when he has total control over something.

Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
42194 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:49 am to
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Sanders own college, FSU, snubbed him.


So you are just going to assume it is because he is black and not because they know him better than anyone?

Why did he have to go to Mississippi to get his first job? He has been in Texas for most of his adult life but he couldn't get a job here. Why do you think that is?

Then Colorado, another place far away and down on their luck just like Jackson State.

Because anyone who knows him knows he is a cancer.

But since he is also black, that is going to be the reason for racist people.
And everyone in the media is scared to death of him. Especially white folks, because they know they will be cancelled with quickness if they call him out on his buffoonery.

I actually love to see all the pieces of shite in the media have to go along and be agreeable with this idiot. 90% of them are also scumbags.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 7:52 am
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