re: Congrats to BaseVOL Todd Helton on MLB Hall of Fame!

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So you have more than one alter, lol

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I was just telling the other man what went on between you two.

Now you are here confirming what Salty said about you.

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Special thanks to Coors Field for inflating his stats.

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Helton’s career road OPS of .855 is higher than Tony Gwynn, Al Kaline, George Brett, Rickey Henderson, Dave Winfield and Eddie Murray. His career road OBP of .386 is higher than Willie Mayes, Rod Carew, Derek Jeter, Honus Wagner, Frank Robinson, Vlad Guerrero, Hank Aaron, Tim Raines, just to name a few.

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Salty Morton

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Hi, VolMarine

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Sure, Sally. See you after your Sally account is banned with your next alter.

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"Anybody who points out that I am a crybaby snitching piece of shite is an alter."

You're a joke, you little weak bitch.

I will say it seems a little disingenuous to argue a 220lb first baseman's offensive stats with guys like Tony Gwynn & Honus Wagner. How does he compare to HOF First basemen??

And the Hank Aaron comp is ridiculous, dude has like double the counting stats, nearly 20 point higher WRC+, and didn't have 800 games in Coors Field helping him out.

I think that Helton's stats are unquestionably inflated while still being HOF-caliber. He was beating out steroid dudes and putting up some INSANE stats in the day. I wish the second half of his career had been as strong as the first.

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It will be interesting watching him scramble to move the field goal post on this one. He might suggest that none of those players belong opposed to admitting he was wrong.

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Home: .345, 227 HR, 859 RBI
Road: .287, 142 HR, 547 RBI

What was I wrong about?

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The "Oof" after the away numbers. You've already seen that there are a number of HOF players with overall batting averages under .287. Let's look at his other numbers AWAY from Coors Field (a total of 2776 At Bats).

Home Runs:
Only 142 Home Runs...which is more than:
Jackie Robinson (141 in 4997 at bats), Tony Gwynn (135 in 9228 at bats) , Pee Wee Reese (126 in 8058 at bats), Wade Boggs (118 in 9180 at bats), Ty Cobb (117), Honus Wagner (101 in 10439 at bats), Rod Carew (92 in 9315 at bats).

How about RBIs...he only had 547 of them...which is more than 116 Hall of Fame members, including:
Casey Stengel (535 in 4288 at bats), Connie Mack (265 in 22698 at bats), Dick Williams (331 in 2959 at bats).

I guess he won 3 Gold Gloves because of the friendly confines of Coors Field?

MLB Baseball HOF Batting Averages

Todd Helton Splits

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It's a fun debate, and I'm sure we could have a long conversation about HOF criteria.

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But you can't just look at one stat to compare different players, especially when they come from different eras, play different positions, etc.

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To be fair...I've compared 3, and eliminated 1/2 of the stats that would have been favorable to Helton...

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Also, you have guys who had postseason success, other impacts that you are not measuring. By the way, Helton was a career .211 hitter in the postseason with 0 home runs.

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What happened to "But you can't just look at one stat to compare different players, especially when they come from different eras, play different positions, etc."

BTW:

Jeff Bagwell hit .226 in postseason games.

Craig Biggio hit .234 in postseason games.

Barry Bonds hit .245 in postseason games

Roy Campanella hit .237 in postseason games.

Willie Mays hit .247 in postseason games.

Mark McGuire hit .217 in postseason games.

Joe Morgan hit .182 in postseason games.

Tony Perez hit .238 in postseason games.

Jackie Robinson hit .234 in postseason games.

Mike Schmidt hit .236 in postseason games.

Dave Winfield hit .208 in postseason games.

There were a ton of HOF players who didn't have great postseason stats.

That is really low and unsportsmanlike to downvote an SEC player on making the Hall of Fame.

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You were the one who started with stats...stats are what they are...numbers. So, yes...I'm comparing numbers, following the precedent you set.

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I haven't seen anything to dispute that Helton's numbers were greatly inflated by playing half his games in Colorado.

Willie Mays was a career .301 hitter with 335 HRs at home, .301 with 325 HRs on the road.

Helton .345, 227 at home. .287, 142 on the road.

Albert Belle - .302, 191 HR at home. .288, 190 on the road.

Helton was a very good player, but he doesn't sniff the HOF had he played his career outside of Colorado. Especially considering his complete ineptness in the postseason when it mattered most.


And don't try to compare Helton to catchers, shortstops like Ozzie Smith, or players from a deadball era. That's non-sensical.

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Be careful, max. This snitching little bitch won't stick the admins on you if you disagree with him. That's all he does run around snitching.

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How many accounts are you running, lol. Get help, man.