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re: Conference Expansion - VA Tech
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:57 am to Tiger Live2
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:57 am to Tiger Live2
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Tiger Live2
dunno why you have to be so negative or troll like concerning VT
as for bashing them as a school that you say only cares about football, what does that say about schools they consistently outdraw in basketball like Ole Miss, Georgia, Miss St, and Auburn? Did you know they had a higher average attendance than Duke as recently as 2008? LINK
and LOL at saying they are going to automatically suck at football once Beamer is gone. You could just as easily say that about a school like Duke with Coach K.
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:01 am to Dr RC
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Did you know they had a higher average attendance than Duke as recently as 2008?
Cameron Indoor has less than 10 K capacity.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:05 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Cameron Indoor has less than 10 K capacity.
yes I know.
but thats besides the point.
if VT has a decent team, their fans will show.
just like everywhere else.
if anyone thinks Duke would be sold out every game if they went on a prolonged slide they're crazy.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:25 am to BAMAisDIESEL09
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I agree 100% with everything you posted except:
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They have a good but not elite football program and decent but not elite academics (probably most similar to Auburn academically).
Which school are you referring to?
VT, UNC and UVA should not be compared to Auburn academically--Im not trying to flame at all. The aforementioned schools are much much better academically than Auburn.
Also, UVA is most definitely an elite school academically. UNC is very close to UVA in terms of prestige. VT is along the same level as UGA--while its a very solid school many would not consider it "elite."
I was comparing VT and Auburn, completely agree that UNC and UVA are on a different level as elite public schools (probably Top 5) and AAU Members.
VT and Auburn are similar. Both are consensus Tier II schools that have solid reputations in multiple disciplines, especially engineering. Both have similar missions and are Land Grant schools (as is much of the SEC) with a good focus on research. Neither is an AAU Member. VT is #72 in US News, Auburn is #89.
The point is they are a good but not great school academically, if they had AAU membership they would be much more valuable. They are at $450 million in research spend though and rising which is Top 50 so they may have a real shot at AAU membership going forward, likely before Auburn honestly. If VT came in with UNC they would be somewhere in the 6-8 range depending on how you evaluate behind Vandy, UNC, UF, A&M, and UGA.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:40 am to Pain Don't Hurt
VT would have been a solid add as school 14. The SEC had to have someone that could play in the SEC East, and VT would have fit the bill perfectly, particularly if the SEC is going to stop at 14 (and I think we might be there for a while). However, that didn't happen, and the factors at play for adding schools 15 and 16 are different than they were for school 14.
Going to 16 is going to result in a political bloodbath trying to work out the logistics, so I personally don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. If it did, it would only be as a result of UNC deciding to join the SEC. Who comes with them would depend on the circumstances--UVA would probably be the best (if their administration could be persuaded not to go to the Big Ten), but I wouldn't rule out Duke or VT. The problem for Virginia Tech as number 16 is that this slot is likely to be used as the sweetener to close the deal with UNC, and it's hard to see VT being the thing that clinches the deal for UNC.
Going to 16 is going to result in a political bloodbath trying to work out the logistics, so I personally don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. If it did, it would only be as a result of UNC deciding to join the SEC. Who comes with them would depend on the circumstances--UVA would probably be the best (if their administration could be persuaded not to go to the Big Ten), but I wouldn't rule out Duke or VT. The problem for Virginia Tech as number 16 is that this slot is likely to be used as the sweetener to close the deal with UNC, and it's hard to see VT being the thing that clinches the deal for UNC.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:47 am to Nuts4LSU
Yeah, VTech is all over DC and Nova. VTech is a state school and therefore draws heavily from the Nova population. VTech in the SEC would without question bring the DC market.
Also, f*ck VTech.
Also, f*ck VTech.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:49 am to engie
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They are needed so the confederacy is complete in sports.
This.
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Perfect.Cultural.Fit.
And This.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:51 am to McRebel42
PLEASE MIKE SLIME GIVE US...
NORTH CAROLINA & VIRGINIA TECH
NORTH CAROLINA & VIRGINIA TECH
Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:40 am to Dr RC
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dunno why you have to be so negative or troll like concern
Have you live in VA? I will hate them to the day I die. I have some good friends that are Tech fans, but as a fanbase they are some of the worst. Considering I am far from the only person on here that says they turn to Duke or UNC fans come basketball season, should tell you something.
The Richmond Times Disgrace is a VT paper and has fewer basketball articles in Jan than the NOLA paper has LSU baseball articles in January.
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and LOL at saying they are going to automatically suck at football once Beamer is gone. You could just as easily say that about a school like Duke with Coach K.
That is just stupid. Duke has actually won National Titles. VT might have has many wins over top 5 teams as Appy State.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:45 am to MetArl15
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Also, f*ck VTech.
How could I forget the most important part.
I personally want them in the Big 12 so they can renew the rivalry with WVU. There is a ton of hate in that rivalry
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:25 pm to Tiger Live2
Va. Tech is a no brainer...not even close to becoming an MSU. DC is a huge lucrative market and I have no doubt Va Tech will be huge boost for SEC numbers.
A very fertile recruiting ground and an established tradition and plus a pretty affluent alumni/fan base.
SEC expansion is pretty much about one thing...expanding their FB TV footprint.(NC might be the exception) Nobody really GAS about what other sports bring to the table.
A very fertile recruiting ground and an established tradition and plus a pretty affluent alumni/fan base.
SEC expansion is pretty much about one thing...expanding their FB TV footprint.(NC might be the exception) Nobody really GAS about what other sports bring to the table.
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:15 pm to Tiger Live2
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Have you live in VA? I will hate them to the day I die. I have some good friends that are Tech fans, but as a fanbase they are some of the worst. Considering I am far from the only person on here that says they turn to Duke or UNC fans come basketball season, should tell you something.
The Richmond Times Disgrace is a VT paper and has fewer basketball articles in Jan than the NOLA paper has LSU baseball articles in January.
Don't really need to live in VA to be able to look up their attendance numbers to see they draw just fine when they are winning (again, just like EVERY other school in the country).
Fact is they can pull 10k in good years and consistently stay above 7k. That puts them in the top 60 or so every year in attendance and better than 4 or 5 current SEC schools normal averages.
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That is just stupid. Duke has actually won National Titles. VT might have has many wins over top 5 teams as Appy State.
All it takes is one bad coaching hire to put a school into a tailspin. See Dennis Franchione at A&M.
VT is going to spend to the money to get a coach once Beamer is gone just like Duke will do when Coach K is done. That doesn't change they could hire the wrong guy and set the program back years.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:24 pm to Dr RC
at you continuing to compare VT football to Duke basketball. They are absolutely nothing alike. Duke basketball has more National Titles than VT football has top 10 wins in their history. The only reason VT has the wins they do is by playing a ton of crap teams.Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:30 pm to Dr RC
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VT is going to spend to the money to get a coach once Beamer is gone just like Duke will do when Coach K is done
VT doesn't have the financial backing to do that. Beamer was perfect for them.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:23 pm to Tiger Live2
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at you continuing to compare VT football to Duke basketball. They are absolutely nothing alike. Duke basketball has more National Titles than VT football has top 10 wins in their history. The only reason VT has the wins they do is by playing a ton of crap teams.
great. The fact that Duke has a few titles has nothing to do with Coach K and Beamer both being similar in that they built their programs up to what they are now and have been at their jobs long enough that its difficult to imagine somebody else coaching there.
Nothing you said changes that a bad hire could derail either program and set them back years. It's just as likely to happen at Duke as it is at VT.
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VT doesn't have the financial backing to do that. Beamer was perfect for them.
Beamer currently gets $2.5 million a year which puts him at #30 overall in the nation. If VT was in the SEC they would be making a ton more money than in ACC due to the SEC Net bump and would be able to pay our more to coaches.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:31 pm to Dr RC
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Nothing you said changes that a bad hire could derail either program and set them back years. It's just as likely to happen at Duke as it is at VT.
That might be because I didn't even try to refute that. That's the case at any school. Still don't even see where that is relevent. Every SEC school has had a bad hire that set them back.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:35 pm to Tiger Live2
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That might be because I didn't even try to refute that. That's the case at any school. Still don't even see where that is relevent. Every SEC school has had a bad hire that set them back.
which is why you trying to claim that the program will automatically suck once Beamer retires is completely bogus.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:40 pm to Dr RC
They have NO history. They won't get a coach to come there that will win. I doubt Beamer would still be there if he wasn't alum.
Maybe saying a poor mans MSU is too far. How about a poor mans Ole Miss. Once Beamer leaves they will be NOTHING. Duke has at least proven you can win there. VT has only proven you can lose to every good they play. How is that so difficult to understand
Maybe saying a poor mans MSU is too far. How about a poor mans Ole Miss. Once Beamer leaves they will be NOTHING. Duke has at least proven you can win there. VT has only proven you can lose to every good they play. How is that so difficult to understand
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:40 pm to Tiger Live2
VT doesn't need the SEC.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:42 pm to Crowknowsbest
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VT doesn't have the financial backing to do that. Beamer was perfect for them.
They are top 30 in total athletics revenue and top 20 in private donation $$ yearly. This is before adding probably $20mil+ in additional TV revenue that would come from being in the SEC.
They can certainly afford to pay a damn fine coach...
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