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Collegiate Trademark Question - SEC Related

Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:21 am
Posted by RollTide MJ
Tuscaloosa, AL
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:21 am
Morning everyone.....


Okay, I understand the premise behind trademarking and copyrighting logos and whatnot to protect an image but do you think that this is going a little too far or being a little too picky?



From the Tuscaloosa News this morning:

LINK

quote:

"Northport bakery told to stop making treats with script 'A'"



Mary Cesar created a cake that resembled the BCS National Championship trophy for the Crimson Tide’s athletic department for National Signing Day in February. And when the University of Alabama Law School held a reception for its recent graduates, it ordered 10 dozen cookies decorated with a capital “A” for Alabama from her bakery.

But on Tuesday, Cesar, owner of Mary’s Cakes & Pastries in downtown Northport, received a letter telling her to stop using “trademarks, name, logos, colors, slogans, mascots and other indicia associated with the University.”

The letter came from Collegiate Licensing Co. in Atlanta, which has a contract with UA to provide licensing services for the university’s trademarked items.

The letter also demanded “that you advise us in writing of your compliance ... and furnish us a list describing each item manufactured and/or sold by you which bears the Marks of the University and each item that you presently have in inventory.

“Include the number and sales price of each item as well as profits earned. This information will be used to determine the amount of damages and legal costs due for your unauthorized use of the Marks,” the letter said.

“We pay a lot of attention to these sort of issues,” Cesar said. “That’s why we don’t use licensed characters, like those from Disney, on our cakes.”

But Cesar said she did not think putting an “A” on a frosted cookie cut in the shape of an elephant or a football was a problem.

“If UA sues us, it will put us out of business because we are a really small mom-and-pop-type of business.”

She said she can’t afford to fight UA or Collegiate Licensing Co. in court and plans to stop offering the products. She said she canceled an order this week from a customer who wanted some cookies with a capital “A” on them for a party this weekend.

Cesar said her research indicated it would cost $750 to $3,000 to apply for a license to use the items UA claims as trademarks and that she does not sell enough themed products to make that worthwhile.

Collegiate Licensing’s website also indicated that UA receives a 10 percent royalty on licensed products bearing its trademark.

“If I put an ‘A’ on a cookie, it is not like I am making gobs of money,” she said. “And until I got this letter, I did not think there was a problem.

“A large number of these cookies, we actually sell to the university and the athletic department. I assumed if we were doing anything wrong, they would not be ordering them.”


This post was edited on 8/23/12 at 7:25 am
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:24 am to
That is really ridiculous.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140616 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:26 am to
We asked some HS teams in Florida to stop using our logos too.

I say do them a special deal and just make them buy the official UF stickers from the school and charge them $1 extra.

It just seems silly even though I know they have to protect their brand.

For the baker, just switch to a Braves A...80% of the Gumps won't even notice.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:27 am to
it sucks but it is what it is, she should have known. I tried to have an Auburn themed grooms cake at my wedding, and they wouldnt do anything with any logo's. You should see these guys on gamedays, they walk around all the campuses looking to bust people. they even have the cops on speed dial.
Posted by TheSandman
Notasulga
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:28 am to
They don't have a choice, though.

If something comes up where UA (or any other university) has to fight a "legitimate" trademark infringement claim, they've got to be able to prove that they continually enforce it across the board rather than selectively.
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:29 am to
The SEC cookies look pretty tasty.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37251 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:29 am to
quote:

The letter also demanded “that you advise us in writing of your compliance


I'd advise em to frick off. There's no way an A made out of icing is the same exact A that they have trademarked, if you can even trademark a letter in the alphabet.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140616 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:30 am to
quote:

They don't have a choice, though. If something comes up where UA (or any other university) has to fight a "legitimate" trademark infringement claim, they've got to be able to prove that they continually enforce it across the board rather than selectively.


This is true. It's why we had to be mean to the HS that were using our logos.
Posted by Auburntiger
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Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:31 am to
quote:

We asked some HS teams in Florida to stop using our logos too.


not just teams in FL...U of F even asked a school in metro Baton Rouge to stop

LINK
Posted by jackmanusc
Columbia, SC
Member since Apr 2012
3947 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:33 am to
Trademark law encourages folks to be litigious about their registered marks. If you don't protect it on one occasion, courts may not allow you to defend it down the road on another occasion. Also, there is the spectre of genericide. Tupperware, Thermos, etc. all used to be registered trademarks before they became associated with all similar products.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:33 am to
quote:

There's no way an A made out of icing is the same exact A that they have trademarked, if you can even trademark a letter in the alphabet.


A red script "A" in conjunction with football or elephants, is definitely a violation. it's the combination of all the factors
Posted by RollTide MJ
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:34 am to
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This post was edited on 8/23/12 at 7:49 am
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140616 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:36 am to
Why is the elephant holding a basketball?
Posted by RollTide MJ
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Nov 2007
9523 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:38 am to
quote:

Why is the elephant holding a basketball?




I have no idea. He's holding a football too.



I had actually requested a caramel cake with an outdoor theme on the table, but nope, that didn't happen.
Posted by Auburntiger
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Member since Mar 2005
13309 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:39 am to
quote:

well good thing they weren't snooping around at my wedding in Mobile this past summer. my mom was dead set on having me an Alabama groom's table and cake



And the fact that you got Big Al to show up to your wedding….priceless

Posted by THamma
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
444 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:41 am to
13-0 haha
Posted by RollTide MJ
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Nov 2007
9523 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:49 am to
quote:

And the fact that you got Big Al to show up to your wedding….priceless





Nah, that was the wedding down the street from us.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37251 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:49 am to
quote:

A red script "A" in conjunction with football or elephants, is definitely a violation. it's the combination of all the factors




Well it's too flat to be a football and who knows what 13-0 means so obviously the cookie is representative of something else.
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13309 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:52 am to
quote:

Nah, that was the wedding down the street from us.


Posted by RollTide MJ
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Nov 2007
9523 posts
Posted on 8/23/12 at 7:58 am to
They came down to our reception and showed us all how to do the wobble.
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