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College is a racket - part 3

Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
11077 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:19 pm
I love that these types of efforts are afoot. Maybe if the colleges have some competition they will stop focusing on hiring layers of bureaucratic pinheads like "diversity officers" and get education back to a sensible price for a return on investment.

The Anti-College Is on the Rise

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A small band of students will travel to Sitka, Alaska, this month to help reinvent higher education. They won’t be taking online courses, or abandoning the humanities in favor of classes in business or STEM, or paying high tuition to fund the salaries of more Assistant Vice Provosts for Student Life. They represent a growing movement of students, teachers and reformers who are trying to compensate for mainstream higher education’s failure to help young people find a calling: to figure out what life is really for. These students will read works by authors ranging from Plato and Herbert Marcuse to Tlingit writers. The point is to “develop and flex a more rigorous political imagination,” according to one course syllabus. They will take on 15 to 20 hours a week of manual labor in Sitka, and set their group’s rules on everything from curfews to cellphones. Last summer’s cohort discouraged the use of phones during class and service hours and ordered everyone to turn off the internet at 10 p.m.

This is Outer Coast, one of an expanding number of educational experiments born out of a deepening sense that mainstream American colleges are too expensive, too bureaucratic, too careerist and too intellectually fragmented to help students figure out their place in the universe and their moral obligations to fellow humans.


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There are alternative colleges that replace traditional courses with personalized study; gap-year programs that combine quasi-monastic retreats with world travel; summer seminars devoted to clearing trails and reading philosophy. They aim to prove that it is possible to cultivate moral and existential self-confidence, without the Christian foundation that grounded Western universities until the mid-20th century. They seek to push back against the materialism and individualism that have saturated the secular left and right, all at an affordable price.

It’s a tall order. Their work is inspiring, but it is also a sobering indictment — particularly for those of us who teach in the humanities, whose job it once was to lead students in a survey of how civilization’s greatest minds wrestled with philosophical problems. In recent decades, a stultifying mix of hyperspecialized research and pressure to emphasize “practical skills” — as well as a political reluctance to prioritize canonical texts or universal questions — have sapped our confidence.


Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:22 pm to
You should get a Ph.D from New Hampshire University or University of Phoenix. Great universities.
Posted by AuburnPanic40
GA 400
Member since Jan 2016
909 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:31 pm to
Anybody who truly believes making public college tuition-free and accessible to all is a complete fricking moron, further dilution of the system will lead to an immense over-saturation of individuals with college degrees and will make any undergraduate degree practically worthless outside of those attained through private institutions. The student debt crisis is a direct result of increased government intervention within the public education sphere, giving far too many loans through FASFA to individuals who provided no evidence that they could nor would pay back the loan. Students attending college on loans, majoring in something like Lesbian Dance Theory, and then complain about their student loan debt. We need to adopt an apprenticeship system similar to that in Germany, the only individuals who attend university are those studying law, medicine, or education. All others go straight out of high school into an apprenticeship under an individual who works in their field of choice.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:35 pm to
studying law? really? that is a googlable job.
Posted by ukraine_rebel
North Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
2170 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:40 pm to
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only individuals who attend university are those studying law, medicine, or education. All others go straight out of high school into an apprenticeship under an individual who works in their field of choice.


What ab those who wanna play bawl?!
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 12:43 pm to
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What ab those who wanna play bawl?!


IMO shouldn’t have to go to class

I’m just talking about the big two that make the schools millions and everyone watches across the country

Give em a pass. I wouldn’t be mad about it
Posted by AuburnPanic40
GA 400
Member since Jan 2016
909 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 1:02 pm to
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What ab those who wanna play bawl?!

Honestly willing to continue supporting our broken education system because I don't college bawl to go away.
Posted by AuburnPanic40
GA 400
Member since Jan 2016
909 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 1:10 pm to
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studying law? really? that is a googlable job.

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that is a googlable job.

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googlable

Great to see that Ms. State education is paying off with such nuanced opinions and coherent statements. Unfortunately, calling the judge and opposition "big dumb retards who ain't got no sense" won't win any cases, even in a state like Mississippi.
Posted by Diesel88
Wyoming
Member since Oct 2018
702 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 1:24 pm to
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Anybody who truly believes making public college tuition-free and accessible to all is a complete fricking moron


"I'm close-minded."

Didn't read.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 4:35 pm to
So, they're going to do manual labor while working towards an education in philosophical studies?

How exactly is that different than the way current humanities majors end up?
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 5:41 pm to
In 1970 an in-State semester’s tuition at Alabama was about $250. GI bill provided $135/month later raised to $175. I studied there paying my own way, received two degrees, graduated with no debts thanks to GIBill, some bartending and other part time jobs, and about $5,000 I had saved in Vietnam. I didn't miss much partying or beer drinking either (after making sure of academics) because of money.

The numbers, of “deans,” “associates,” “assistants” to this-or-that flunky in college administration today is astounding... Even in medical schools such as LSU today they continue to add spurious administrative positions paying ridiculous salaries - at a time the LA university system is struggling for State funds - ... all of which go onto the backs of the students.

You cannot “work” your way through college anymore because you cannot make enough money bartending to cover in-State tuition, much less out of State. A student must either have parental funding or borrow money...which just goes to pay the admin bureaucrat’s bloated salaries.

We haven’t even mentioned the dumbing down of curriculum. A liberal arts degree at one time required some philosophy, two years foreign language, sciences, math, English lit and composition math-Trig-calc as core not to mention histories, Western civ, social sciences, arts, humanities. Now students graduate in xxxx studies and cannot write a decent paragraph, or read cursive, or know who Shakespeare is.

Both of my sons went through comprehensive college programs and both have made good use of their analytical powers. But if I had a son coming up today, I would not be likely to fund college... the military will do that after a 4 year enlistment.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 10:19 pm
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
11077 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 5:57 pm to
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But if I had a son coming up today, I would not be likely to fund college


I'm faced with it right now. It really doesn't make financial sense. Something has to break. It can't keep going on the way it is. Unsustainable.
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