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re: Co/Wa in process of Passing their version Of Fair Pay for Play.. Forbes NCAA will lose
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:36 am to LSUNV
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:36 am to LSUNV
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Membership in the NCAA is entirely voluntary, and some colleges or universities have chosen not to become a member of this organization.
I think there goes the anti-trust argument....
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:41 am to AirbusDawg
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It's pretty simple really, NCAA rules state that players are not to be paid. It is the school's choice whether to stay in the NCAA or leave. The NCAA doesn't have to ban anyone. Play by the rules set forth by the NCAA, or face the penalties.
and that right there trumps anything they can do in court... it is a choice by each university to join the NCAA.. you are not required to do so... Not to get political, but its what was ruled unconstitutional about obamacare.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:49 am to Jjdoc
quote:I can see the schools just benching the player. No HC is playing guy that's got an agent. No HC is going to work through an agent to arrange practice, film study or workout times around the players autograph sessions.
Therefore the university has to either break state law or the NCAA rules.
Can you imagine how toxic the locker room will become? Team morale will go to shite if players aren't getting equal compensation.
Who will block for a QB that just pulled in $1,500 before the game signing jersey's for the thousands of fans when the olinemen didn't get a damn dime?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:50 am to AUCE05
quote:Isn't that what the Northwestern players did?
It is really difficult to tell a legal adult they can't work and make money. If/when the players form a union, then the sport is done. This is probably the initial step of the P5 separating into their own conference.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:51 am to The Winner
It would stun you that any SEC state would pass such a bill. Let me see I’ve heard about something similar in the history of the south where people had to work for free ??????. I can’t remember that term.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:58 am to DonBro
quote:What's Arkansas current annual tuition, room/board, books and fees, tutoring sessions running right now? How about personal trainers, and access to state of the art nutrition and workout facilities?
It would stun you that any SEC state would pass such a bill. Let me see I’ve heard about something similar in the history of the south where people had to work for free ??????. I can’t remember that term.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:59 am to DonBro
College athletes aren't working for free. That's where everyone gets this wrong. OK, so let schools just pay each athlete the minimum wage. Problem solved. Players get paid the same for every sport and every team. NCAA dodges the antitrust rules and players get some spending money.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:05 pm to RT1941
Man I get it. I'm not in favor of it and see all of the massive issues this is going to create.
None of that changes the outcome and the facts surrounding it. I get that you are presenting arguments against it. Still does not change it.
It think the NCAA will change its rules with outside guidance.
I would like to remind everybody on how we got here. Cheating to win, then hiring the best to win ...all to the point that the NCAA is making billions. Espn and tv is making bank, coaches are making bank.... on kids who dont make anything.
How much does Saban make? If he(and others) was making 100k, this would have never been an issue. If the NCAA was not making the billions, this would not be an issue.
But they are. And now grown men who is the actual product want their share. And laws are being passed that demand they be allowed.
And that will put them in court.
None of that changes the outcome and the facts surrounding it. I get that you are presenting arguments against it. Still does not change it.
It think the NCAA will change its rules with outside guidance.
I would like to remind everybody on how we got here. Cheating to win, then hiring the best to win ...all to the point that the NCAA is making billions. Espn and tv is making bank, coaches are making bank.... on kids who dont make anything.
How much does Saban make? If he(and others) was making 100k, this would have never been an issue. If the NCAA was not making the billions, this would not be an issue.
But they are. And now grown men who is the actual product want their share. And laws are being passed that demand they be allowed.
And that will put them in court.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:07 pm to RT1941
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What's Arkansas current annual tuition, room/board, books and fees, tutoring sessions running right now? How about personal trainers, and access to state of the art nutrition and workout facilities?
100%
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 pm to Jjdoc
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Thoughts now?
Thoughts now? Because one guy who claims to be an expert says this:
"a federal court might ultimately overturn the NCAA’s rules..."
I'm not sure you grasp the meaning of "might".
My thoughts are completely unchanged, especially concerning your ridiculous assertion that some rival association will pop up and take all the top high school players away from the NCAA.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:22 pm to Jjdoc
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And laws are being passed that demand they be allowed.
no law has been passed and signed into law yet. One bill has been approved by one house of one state legislature.
Meanwhile, the federal government long ago passed a law demanding that they NOT be allowed to receive their fair share.
That's exactly what Title IX does.
Tua Tagovailoa gets two tickets to the Iron Bowl. Why is he not allowed to sell them? They're his property. One could certainly argue that he should be allowed to sell something that belongs to him at whatever market price he can get.
The problem is that then he would have received a benefit that the softball player or swimmer doesn't have. Those tickets to their events now have a cash value, and Tua's are worth more that the girls'. Like it or not, that's illegal.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:24 pm to Jjdoc
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"I just want to say, 'NCAA, don't threaten California. Don't threaten us'," Kamlager-Dove said. "Because we have formidable schools. We have formidable alumni. And we have formidable viewership.
usc and stanford have already both said any player that uses their likeness to profit won't be eligible at the school.
both private schools so i assume they can do whatever they want. and probably the two best football programs in california.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:34 pm to Jjdoc
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would like to remind everybody on how we got here. Cheating to win, then hiring the best to win
And somehow these idiotic legislatures are gonna change this? You mean these same folks who gave us title IX and a host of other moronic laws that have done nothing but add increase cost and regulation to college athletics?
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on kids who dont make anything.
Please just STFU with this tired old bullshite.How much do you think an Alabama FB was paid in LEGAL cash stipends from the school and CFB last year? I'm not even going to add tuition, books,healthcare,tudors,etc.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:38 pm to RD Dawg
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You mean these same folks who gave us title IX and a host of other moronic laws that have done nothing but add increase cost and regulation to college athletics?
And now there are those here who believe that all of the Elizabeth Warrens and Kamala Harrises of the world are just joing to stand on the sidelines and keep their mouths shut while some male athletes receive millions while women receive nothing.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:42 pm to Jjdoc
quote:You want this to go to court so bad. I can't see a single Head Coach or Athletic Director allowing a player to take the field when they know the player hired an agent and is actively involved in accepting payments for his likeness.
But they are. And now grown men who is the actual product want their share. And laws are being passed that demand they be allowed.
And that will put them in court.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:50 pm to Jjdoc
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And now grown men who is the actual product want their share. And laws are being passed that demand they be allowed.
And that will put them in court.
These "grown men" have been allowed by law in all 50 states to hire a lawyer forever. And as soon as they do so, they lose their eligibility. This has been the NCAA's rule for decades.
I'm sorry, but I missed the court case where Antonio Langham and the University of Alabama sued the NCAA because of damages arising from their punishment for Langham signing an agreement with a lawyer on a cocktail napkin...again, something he has had the legal right to do in every state in this country practically forever.
But yeah, the courts are gonna destroy the NCAA.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:50 pm to Jjdoc
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I would like to remind everybody on how we got here. Cheating to win, then hiring the best to win ...all to the point that the NCAA is making billions. Espn and tv is making bank, coaches are making bank.... on kids who dont make anything. How much does Saban make? If he(and others) was making 100k, this would have never been an issue. If the NCAA was not making the billions, this would not be an issue. But they are. And now grown men who is the actual product want their share. And laws are being passed that demand they be allowed. And that will put them in court.
This guy gets it. ^^^^^^
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:59 pm to lostinbr
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The Title IX issue is interesting to me. The NCAA may be told to kick rocks if/when this winds up in court. But Title IX is federal law. Anyone know the Title IX implications of pay-to-play?
Does this mean that a football player can't be offered an endorsement unless a tennis player is offered the same level of endorsement?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:04 pm to Jjdoc
The issue is the NCAA doesn't ban you. You either voluntarily agree to be a member of the NCAA or you don't. It is up to the schools, not the NCAA.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:11 pm to notsince98
quote:Thank You!
The issue is the NCAA doesn't ban you. You either voluntarily agree to be a member of the NCAA or you don't. It is up to the schools, not the NCAA.
Hell, the NCAA can't do shite to a member institution. The organization is voluntary and an institution can shite can the NCAA any time they feel like it. No school is forced to accept sanctions from the NCAA (Mizzou/Ole Miss) they could've said screw it.
BUT if they chose to be a member, they also agree to abide by the rules.
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