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re: Clearing up some misconceptions about A&M
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:11 am to Bose Ikard
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:11 am to Bose Ikard
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Don't be shy. You cared enough to post.
So tell me how student population growth clears up your misconceptions that you listed
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:16 am to NYCAuburn
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There is the misconception that A&M has long had large-school resources.
Until the 1970s, we had the resources of a cross between an all-male military school and a regional university. That's seen in the enrollment and type of school we were.
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There is the misconception that historic rivalries were fought on the grounds of equal resources.
Texas and LSU, for example, had much larger student bodies and much larger fans bases throughout the 50s, 60s, and 70s. LSU wouldn't even play us in College Station. To fully make this point, I's need to also demonstrate that A&M's rivals were not also small, virtually all-male, regional schools. But I am assuming a base level of information on this board.
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And there is the misconception that A&M is not currently, in terms of fan base, on par with the more successful SEC schools.
This is cleared up through Nate Silver's analysis that I linked.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 9:17 am
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:16 am to Bose Ikard
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Central Florida is the standard-bearer for incredible growth. Can you find another school that added at least 13,243 students from 1971-1990? Maybe you can. I'd like to see it.
First it was any other school, now you want more?
Arizona State:
1949 - 4,094
2011 - 72,254
Florida International:
1972 - 5,667
2011 - 47,966
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:17 am to Bose Ikard
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There is the misconception that A&M has long had large-school resources. There is the misconception that historic rivalries were fought on the grounds of equal resources. And there is the misconception that A&M is not currently, in terms of fan base, on par with the more successful SEC schools.
Basically what you are saying is that you Faggies have had large school resource for over 20 years and have nothing to show for it.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:18 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Basically what you are saying is that you Faggies have had large school resource for over 20 years and have nothing to show for it.
That is the take-away that I am seeing as well.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:18 am to CaptainBrannigan
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First it was any other school, now you want more?
I simply asked a question. Congrats. You've found two or three schools. In other words, such growth is extremely rare.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:19 am to Bose Ikard
The misconception is that you think people actually care about Texas A&M.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:20 am to Bose Ikard
University of South Florida 
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:20 am to Bose Ikard
So in 1975, you were the same size Arkansas is now.
Plus, if you have all dudes, doesn't that mean you have twice as many potential football players?
I don't see the argument.
Plus, if you have all dudes, doesn't that mean you have twice as many potential football players?
I don't see the argument.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:21 am to Bose Ikard
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Basically what you are saying is that you Faggies have had large school resource for over 20 years and have nothing to show for it.
Unfortunately, that's close to the truth. (But it is not quite the truth).
Simply having 40,000 student's isn't enough to have large school resources, though. You need the fan base, and that takes a generation to develop.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:23 am to Numberwang
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So in 1975, you were the same size Arkansas is now.
Yep. Which partially explains why Arkansas is a regional school and why you guys have rarely won anything.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:25 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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I simply asked a question. Congrats. You've found two or three schools. In other words, such growth is extremely rare.
They weren't that hard to find slick. Yes, that level of growth is probably <10% of universities, but most have grown at fairly serious rates in the timeframe you laid out.
The bigger issue here is the notion of Aggie exceptionalism. To listen to some of you guys y'all are the only ones with bad coaches, bad teams, lots of money, tough stadium, ROTC, fans, towels, dogs, stripes, bevels, traditions, and now growth in the student body. Damn impressive sight I must say.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:25 am to Bose Ikard
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So in 1975, you were the same size Arkansas is now.
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Yep. Which partially explains why Arkansas is a regional school and why you guys have rarely won anything.
They've done a hell of a lot better than you. And are currently a hell of a lot better than you.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:26 am to Bose Ikard
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There is the misconception that A&M has long had large-school resources
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That's seen in the enrollment and type of school we were.
how so?quote:
Texas and LSU, for example, had much larger student bodies and much larger fans bases throughout the 50s, 60s, and 70s
O rly?
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LSU wouldn't even play us in College Station
I am sure this had everything to do with student enrollment
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I's need to also demonstrate that A&M's rivals were not also small
Yes they were every bit as big as aTm, BTW 14k students in 1970 is/was a big school then
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This is cleared up through Nate Silver's analysis that I linked.
Good, because we(SECr) have been hanging on his words for the past several years
Oh and your little chart shows that schools half aTm's size have as large of fanbases, so how does that go into your thesis here
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:28 am to NYCAuburn
This idea that there is a magical enrollment number a school has to get over in order to compete in football is pretty stupid.
It is an excuse that doesn't hold water.
By any standard, A&M has been a large school for most of its existence.
It is an excuse that doesn't hold water.
By any standard, A&M has been a large school for most of its existence.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:28 am to NYCAuburn
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Oh and your little chart shows that schools half aTm's size have as large of fanbases, so how does that go into your thesis here
If you are too dense to understand how Notre Dame is an exception to the generally reliable correlation between the size of a fan base and the size of an alumni base, then I can't help you.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:29 am to Numberwang
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By any standard, A&M has been a large school for most of its existence.
But Coach Fran is the reason they never win.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:31 am to Bose Ikard
30k students in 1978 was a big arse school. it's bigger than the Univ. of SC @ Columbia is today, and 30% of our students in the graduate schools. I don't think A&M has a law or medical school, so most of it's students are undergraduate. VMI has 1,500 students today. Clemson had an Ag, Military, & all male background like A&M for most of its history, but they've figured out how to get female cheerleaders. Even The Citadel which was all-male military up until the late 90's has female cheerleaders. FSU was all-female until 1950, but they've figured out how to win a couple of national championships.
I believe that A&M has a huge potential because of its resources, but there are no excuses why it hasn't been better in the past.
I believe that A&M has a huge potential because of its resources, but there are no excuses why it hasn't been better in the past.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:31 am to Bose Ikard
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By any standard, A&M has been a large school for most of its existence.
By "big school" I mean a school with a top 15 fan base. That type of school wins a LOT, and A&M has most certainly not been one of those schools, ever, until recently.
Arkansas is not one of those schools.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:32 am to Pigimus Prime
OU is also about 25k students (Norman campus, while Fayetteville is projected about the same size this fall).
Are they also a "regional" school who has never won anything?
Are they also a "regional" school who has never won anything?
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