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Cheezdick and Recruiting
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:51 am
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:51 am
Wonder how the boy did prior to having cash as a primary recruiting tool. And yes, I know ISU is not a college football mecca, so here's a few other things tossed in for comparison's sake.
Per Scout...
ISU Recruiting
2002: #69
2003: #60
2004: #57
2005: #50
2006: #59
2007: #69 - Gene's first class.
2008: #58 - With Gene again.
2009: #79
2010: #73
AU Recruiting
2002: #11
2003: #16
2004: #31
2005: #22 - After an undefeated season and #2 ranking, AU didn't get a bump?
2006: #9
2007: #6
2008: #18
2009: #16 - Gene's first class.
2010: #6 - Gene again.
You have to keep in mind that Tubby was a proven commodity while Gene was just Gene. The relevant average ranking of both teams:
ISU pre-Gene: #59
ISU with Gene: #63.5
AU pre-Gene: #16.1
AU with Gene: #12.5
So, assuming no money or enticements are involved in the recruitment of Cam, how does an unproven HC come in and immediately make a recruiting splash? Why wasn't there a similar improvement with Gene at ISU? Hell, Tubby had a hard time recruiting to the plains...very interesting. And highly coincidental with the news of the last few days.
Per Scout...
ISU Recruiting
2002: #69
2003: #60
2004: #57
2005: #50
2006: #59
2007: #69 - Gene's first class.
2008: #58 - With Gene again.
2009: #79
2010: #73
AU Recruiting
2002: #11
2003: #16
2004: #31
2005: #22 - After an undefeated season and #2 ranking, AU didn't get a bump?
2006: #9
2007: #6
2008: #18
2009: #16 - Gene's first class.
2010: #6 - Gene again.
You have to keep in mind that Tubby was a proven commodity while Gene was just Gene. The relevant average ranking of both teams:
ISU pre-Gene: #59
ISU with Gene: #63.5
AU pre-Gene: #16.1
AU with Gene: #12.5
So, assuming no money or enticements are involved in the recruitment of Cam, how does an unproven HC come in and immediately make a recruiting splash? Why wasn't there a similar improvement with Gene at ISU? Hell, Tubby had a hard time recruiting to the plains...very interesting. And highly coincidental with the news of the last few days.
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Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:54 am to bamascott2
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So, assuming no money or enticements are involved in the recruitment of Cam, how does an unproven HC come in and immediately make a recruiting splash? Why wasn't there a similar improvement with Gene at ISU? Hell, Tubby had a hard time recruiting to the plains...very interesting. And highly coincidental with the news of the last few days.
The investigation is going to show that they paid Dyer and several others when it is all said and done.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:57 am to BamaScoop
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The investigation is going to show that they paid Dyer and several others when it is all said and done.
Include one that didnt sign with auburn is now talking.
"Your not going to beleive how auburn recruited me"
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:57 am to bamascott2
This is almost as bad as some of the ITAT quotes posted.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:57 am to BamaScoop
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The investigation is going to show that they paid Dyer and several others when it is all said and done.
AUBBIES you are fricked!!!!
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:02 am to bamascott2
My feeling is when Auburn hired Gene, a lot of the AU fanbase panicked. "WTF!!?? Did we just really hire a coach that is 5 and effing 19 at Iowa effing State!!??" The Pat Dye wing of the AU family became re-emboldened by the dissatisfaction of the majority of the Tiger/War Eagle/Plainsmen fans and decided to "help things along".
What I'm not sure of is how much GC was complicit/aware of the alleged shenanigans. It's entirely plausible that GC, knowing he was on a very short leash as a result of the hiring fiasco, turned a blind eye to Dye and the funny money crew.
Speculation? Sure. But makes more sense than the logical gymnastics that a lot of the AU fans are going through to explain away the situation.
What I'm not sure of is how much GC was complicit/aware of the alleged shenanigans. It's entirely plausible that GC, knowing he was on a very short leash as a result of the hiring fiasco, turned a blind eye to Dye and the funny money crew.
Speculation? Sure. But makes more sense than the logical gymnastics that a lot of the AU fans are going through to explain away the situation.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:03 am to plutonium55
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Include one that didnt sign with auburn is now talking.
"Your not going to beleive how auburn recruited me"
Who? Just curious
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:05 am to SoFla Tideroller
Maybe when your OC consistently has the top 5 offense in the NCAA including when he at frickING Tulsa....it helps, But lets ignore obvious things and only see what you want.
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Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:06 am to BurnBurnBurn
So Malzahan is the reason for recruiting success? I think hes clearly the reason for the on-field success.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:07 am to BurnBurnBurn
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But lets ignore obvious things and only see what you want.
Much the same way you and your Aub buds are ignoring the smoke down in Aubieville?
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:08 am to Swagga
You dont think it helps?? Just like you dont think it helps that Alabama gets top Defensive recruits because they know they will play for a top defense??
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:10 am to BurnBurnBurn
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You dont think it helps?? Just like you dont think it helps that Alabama gets top Defensive recruits because they know they will play for a top defense??
Our recruiting has been very consistent over the years...you don't see the spike that we all saw with AU this year.
Keep deflecting, though...
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:11 am to BurnBurnBurn
No I think it helps I was just curious if you were giving Malzahn all the credit for bringing in Cam and Dwyer etc.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:11 am to BurnBurnBurn
Im not ignoring anything, Have no idea what the truth is just like none of you do. Not once has the NCAA ever punished a university bc someone "ASKED" for extra benefits and didnt receive them. If they have, please show me the link.. Maybe AU did pay them, but if you have seen those allegations please show me that link. I have no idea what will happen but it is funny to watch everyone just get on their knees and pray that this is so true just because the Kid is that Good and they are either butthurt their team got beat or know they will be butthurt in a few weeks. Its pitiful really that it makes you guys giddy that maybe , just maybe some Booster paid the kid and it will hurt a lot of innocent kids and people at a university.
This post was edited on 11/13/10 at 8:12 am
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:16 am to Swagga
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Who? Just curious
A RB that signed elsewhere.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:18 am to BamaScoop
BamaScoop, I think your statment is on the mark.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:19 am to BurnBurnBurn
So recruits wanted merely to play for Malzahn - offensive genius and all-- but didn't chose to play for Petrino(significantly more of a rep as a 'genius' than Malzahn...especially 2 years ago.)
I don'tfollow this logic
I don'tfollow this logic
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:20 am to BurnBurnBurn
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Im not ignoring anything, Have no idea what the truth is just like none of you do. Not once has the NCAA ever punished a university bc someone "ASKED" for extra benefits and didnt receive them. If they have, please show me the link..
So you acknowledge that Cecil was shopping his son. That would make Cecil Cam's agent. Players usually are ineligible when they have agent representation...that is the NCAA's stance on things.
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Maybe AU did pay them, but if you have seen those allegations please show me that link.
Check out the boards yourself. The links are everywhere.
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I have no idea what will happen but it is funny to watch everyone just get on their knees and pray that this is so true just because the Kid is that Good and they are either butthurt their team got beat or know they will be butthurt in a few weeks.
I like how you capitalized Kid' and 'Good'...God has willed it and you are all in.
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Its pitiful really that it makes you guys giddy that maybe , just maybe some Booster paid the kid and it will hurt a lot of innocent kids and people at a university.
See Bama sanctions and Aubie reaction to it, early 2000's. Been there, done that.
Yes, we are in the shoes you wore back then and you are in ours. Funny stuff, eh?
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:22 am to Born to be a Tiger
Don't stop believin'! Got evidence?
I am guessing the cryptic one here is referring to Lattimore...Lache has already gone on the record that everything was on the up and up. No one has heard anything out of Lattimore....but why stop now "I have sources too! Look at me!!"
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:28 am to bamascott2
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See Bama sanctions and Aubie reaction to it, early 2000's. Been there, done that.
Sounds really grown up there pal,
some people on message boards were giddy about someone elses problems.... so I will be too.
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