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re: Changing the current playoff ranking process-2 proposals
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:43 pm to White Tiger
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:43 pm to White Tiger
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It appears that the playoff committee's directive is to maximize CFB revenue rather than pick the teams that, through their performance in a given year, have merited playoff berths.
Which one of the 4 haven't earned a playoff spot? And who's earning revenue? The committee members certainly don't get money for it.
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:02 pm to lsufball19
[quote]compare with them with Baylor, then. Baylor had the best wins and their losses were about even, although Ohio St was beaten pretty soundly, at home. Baylor lost on the road. Baylor also beat Oklahoma, on the road, badly, and Kansas St. IMO, Baylor is the team getting screwed over the most, regardless of people think TCU is better. Baylor earned it the most IMO.
Due to an oversight of some kind, you failed to mention that OSU's OOC schedule was quite a bit better than those of Baylor and TCU and OSU also had one more win and an outright conference champ. The Big 12 decided to not pursue 2 more more teams and to can their championship game. They have no one to blame but themselves for piss poor scheduling and no conference champ.
Due to an oversight of some kind, you failed to mention that OSU's OOC schedule was quite a bit better than those of Baylor and TCU and OSU also had one more win and an outright conference champ. The Big 12 decided to not pursue 2 more more teams and to can their championship game. They have no one to blame but themselves for piss poor scheduling and no conference champ.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:09 pm to lsufball19
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compare with them with Baylor, then. Baylor had the best wins and their losses were about even, although Ohio St was beaten pretty soundly, at home. Baylor lost on the road. Baylor also beat Oklahoma, on the road, badly, and Kansas St. IMO, Baylor is the team getting screwed over the most, regardless of people think TCU is better. Baylor earned it the most IMO.
What a load of crap.
Baylor & Ohio State both lost a game by 14 points. Baylor lost to a 7-5 team, Ohio State lost to a 6-6 team, both are bad losses.
Baylor's Non-Conference Strength of Schedule was 128 out of 128 FBS teams, the absolute worst in the country. You can't reward that or nobody will ever play a tough OOC game again.
Also for those crying for the BCS computer crap, there's a site that has "BCS Proxy Rankings" for this year, and the same 4 teams would've been chosen, except FSU would've been #2 & Oregon #3.
BCS Proxy Rankings
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:11 pm to East Coast Band
Look at the revenue that the conferences get with playoff v BCS. They will steer things to ensure the broadest audience appeal i.e. revenue. Do you not see that? By definition, a committee conspires. Why, especially is Condaleeza Rice on the committee? I find the membership and the fact that the meetings are "private" very curious.
Can you give me a reasonable explanation why Baylor was ranked behind TCU? No known tie-breaker rules does not have head-to-head as the first one. It is in the Big XII's bylaws.
Can you give me a reasonable explanation why Baylor was ranked behind TCU? No known tie-breaker rules does not have head-to-head as the first one. It is in the Big XII's bylaws.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:24 pm to White Tiger
Big 12's own fault.
The conferences had to sell their teams to the committee. Alabama from the SEC, due to Bama's recent run, and the long run by the SEC. Florida St from the ACC, undefeated and defending national champs. Pac 12 lucked out with Oregon finally finishing their season, but again you had a clear choice. Same with Ohio St and the B1G.
Big 12 had 2 teams to consider, but one beat the other head-to-head. So, knowing the stakes were high, the conference pushed... both. Neither. If anything, I'd say TCU got the lion's share of the publicity, while Baylor was an afterthought. But Baylor beat TCU, which should have been the deciding tie-breaker.
If you can't clearly decide which team is your champion, you can't complain that your champion is left out by the rest of the nation.
The conferences had to sell their teams to the committee. Alabama from the SEC, due to Bama's recent run, and the long run by the SEC. Florida St from the ACC, undefeated and defending national champs. Pac 12 lucked out with Oregon finally finishing their season, but again you had a clear choice. Same with Ohio St and the B1G.
Big 12 had 2 teams to consider, but one beat the other head-to-head. So, knowing the stakes were high, the conference pushed... both. Neither. If anything, I'd say TCU got the lion's share of the publicity, while Baylor was an afterthought. But Baylor beat TCU, which should have been the deciding tie-breaker.
If you can't clearly decide which team is your champion, you can't complain that your champion is left out by the rest of the nation.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:41 pm to artompkins
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Due to an oversight of some kind, you failed to mention that OSU's OOC schedule was quite a bit better than those of Baylor and TCU and OSU also had one more win and an outright conference champ.
Not at all an oversight. I pointed that out to him already. He just chooses to ignore it.
The roots of all of this can be traced back to Texas. Not surprisingly, Chip Brown was doing a lot of bitching and moaning on Sirius this evening. The fact is that if Texas hadn't spent years treating everyone else in the conference like second class citizens, aTm and Nebraska would still be there and they'd still have a conference championship. This whole "one true champion" bullshite is just PR spin and a byproduct of the fact that there aren't suitable replacements to join the conference.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:28 pm to crimsonsaint
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And who's earning revenue?
The big 5 conferences or haven't you heard. Is it difficult to see that the committee's only function is to maximize general appeal for the playoff to optimize ratings and, thereby, revenue. I thought elephants were smart.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:32 pm to White Tiger
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The first proposal is based on the now old BCS system, which despite its short comings was far less vulnerable to the vicissitudes of human bias than any committee system could ever be. Hence its demise.
I have always preferred they keep the BCS formula and just get the top 4 from that.
However, I also read that the old BCS system would have the same top 4 as the committee came up with, so what is everyone's problem?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:46 pm to White Tiger
I like the idea of 12 teams. Use the old BCS formula(even add SOS like up to '03). Top 8 conference champs make it in. So the little guys get a chance too. Top 4 conference champs get a bye. Then you have room for 4 at large teams. Have at the least first two rounds on campus.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 4:13 pm to intothegrinder
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intothegrinder
Thank you for posting that link man. That's pretty interesting that the "old" BCS system would still have the same 4 teams in the playoffs that the current committee has.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 6:06 pm to White Tiger
1 - BCS SUCKED because of the human element preferential factor. Take that out & ONLY use statistics & I'm good with it.
2 - See #1.....just because you're good with your picks STILL could factor in the human element preferential factor.
2 - See #1.....just because you're good with your picks STILL could factor in the human element preferential factor.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 6:44 pm to White Tiger
If they don't go back to the BCS formula they need to axe about half of the current members, all 12 have tie to the Big/Pac.
3 from the Pac,then you have Alvarez and Osborne., Ty Willingham played at Mich. St., Long was born in Ohio and once worked at Mich., Luck the West Virginia A.D. was born in Cleveland, graduated High School there.
The Lt. General was born in Kent, Ohio
The Clemson A.D. was born in Pennsylvania.
The guy who works at the K.C. Star worked for USA Today for 30 years ( New York guy ).
Then finally you have a former Big East commissioner ( N.Y. GUY ) who sued TCU for reneging on joining the Big East.
MIGHT WANT TO FIX THE BIG/PAC SLANT.
3 from the Pac,then you have Alvarez and Osborne., Ty Willingham played at Mich. St., Long was born in Ohio and once worked at Mich., Luck the West Virginia A.D. was born in Cleveland, graduated High School there.
The Lt. General was born in Kent, Ohio
The Clemson A.D. was born in Pennsylvania.
The guy who works at the K.C. Star worked for USA Today for 30 years ( New York guy ).
Then finally you have a former Big East commissioner ( N.Y. GUY ) who sued TCU for reneging on joining the Big East.
MIGHT WANT TO FIX THE BIG/PAC SLANT.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 6:51 pm to southernboisb
1 - BCS SUCKED because of the human element preferential factor. Take that out & ONLY use statistics & I'm good with it
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LOL, So you prefer the human element of 12(13) over the human element of 200 which the Harris and Coaches poll had ? And the 12 all have potential biases, places they work at. While the pollsters have no such bias, and if you do get 4 or 5 with biases, they are watered down by the 200. If you get 4 or 5 with biases on this Committee, that's 40 percent.
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LOL, So you prefer the human element of 12(13) over the human element of 200 which the Harris and Coaches poll had ? And the 12 all have potential biases, places they work at. While the pollsters have no such bias, and if you do get 4 or 5 with biases, they are watered down by the 200. If you get 4 or 5 with biases on this Committee, that's 40 percent.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 8:18 pm to BamaELCo
are you showing your arse to get plugged 
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