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re: Can we talk about the 1H fumble situation in LSU-Bama?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:53 pm to Lonnie Utah
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:53 pm to Lonnie Utah
We agree...
EITHER: Mond was NOT down
OR: LSU has possession
The SEC office is the body that determined BOTH scenarios.
I don't care how it's interpreted...just do it consistently.
The SEC's only consistency about these two calls was that the interpretation both times benefited an LSU opponent.
It just makes for bad optics.
EITHER: Mond was NOT down
OR: LSU has possession
The SEC office is the body that determined BOTH scenarios.
I don't care how it's interpreted...just do it consistently.
The SEC's only consistency about these two calls was that the interpretation both times benefited an LSU opponent.
It just makes for bad optics.
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Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:56 pm to ukraine_rebel
Here's where the rules are important.
A FUMBLE on the field means NO ONE has possession.
4&8 as a team would have to RE-gain possession.
SO NO, he didn't have possession, no one did...ball was fumbled on the ground.
Monde Never had possession till the officials said he did.
A FUMBLE on the field means NO ONE has possession.
4&8 as a team would have to RE-gain possession.
SO NO, he didn't have possession, no one did...ball was fumbled on the ground.
Monde Never had possession till the officials said he did.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:58 pm to TigerWoodlands
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Was there indisputable video evidence to overturn that initial call? Does anyone think there was?
Yes, it was very clear the Alabama player touched the ball without the LSU player having possession.
The TV ref even pointed it out before it was announced the play was going to be reviewed.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:00 pm to 3down10
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The TV ref even pointed it out before it was announced the play was going to be reviewed.
He did indeed. He also said LSU tipped the ball in OT on Young's pass where PI was called."A tip is a tip."
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:03 pm to thatthang
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watching 2 or 3 clips shown in real speed
This is a larger issue, but I'm still amazed that in this day and age that we don't have small/micro cameras blanketing the field.
How many times this season, in 2022, has there been a review at the goal line where there was no camera with a clear line-of-sight down the actual stripe?
I thought the pylon cameras would've helped, but they're useless. Still nothing on the yardage markers. The referee body cams went away.
For some reason we're still relying on three broadcast cameras, two of which are probably in the upper deck, and at an oblique angle.
I know it probably sounds ridiculous to go to that extent, but why aren't we even trying something that might help, especially at critical/fixed locations?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:22 pm to The Eric
It didn’t even have to be a player. A coach could have done it and the same consequence would have been the ruling. That is ignorant. The lsu guy had both hands under the ball to pick it up when it was hit.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:25 pm to 3down10
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Yes, it was very clear the Alabama player touched the ball without the LSU player having possession
The LSU player had both hands under the ball trying to pick it up when the Alabama player hit it and he lost possession. If Kellen Mond’s knee down with the ball on the ground in the 7 OT game was possession then damn sure this was.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:29 pm to paperwasp
In one case, the ball is free when it leaves the kicking tee. In the other, the ball was possessed by Alabama and possession was not reestablished. To me, these two situations should be viewed differently.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:52 pm to Jebadeb
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Well, you shouldn't be saved from a fumble because you touched the ball while half your body is out of bounds.
The time to bring that up would be at the SEC Spring meetings not on the field in the middle of the game
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:54 pm to TFS4E
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Whatever. LSU won. I’m over it.
Of course. Bama wins its a giant conspiracy by the SEC Office in Birmingham colluding with corrupt officials
LSU wins = Meh whatever, bad calls happen
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:54 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:00 pm to JPLSU1981
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#1 do you understand the rule?
yes
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#2 how do we correct/amend the rule?
penalty for touching the ball while out of bounds? or make it that if the ball was clearly going to be recovered by opposing team they get possession.
I think another fumble rule that is stupid is when the offense fumbles through the endzone and defense gets the ball at the 20...when you combine that with this rule it really makes no sense
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:05 pm to thatthang
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All that said, while I think it's fairly clear it was called correctly as the rules are written, I absolutely hate that play being overturned. Really, this becomes more of a philosophical question than anything and how we define 'indisputable proof.' In my fairly old school eyes on such matters, LSU 'did enough' to get the turnover. I absolutely hate critical plays getting turned over by a team of nerds starring at screens in dark rooms with a dozen angles and speeds. I support a complete overhaul of the definition of 'indisputable proof.' Like, if it can't be overturned by the on-field ref quickly watching 2 or 3 clips shown in real speed, the ruling on the field should stand.
I’m very onboard here. I’ve said for a while there should be a 30 sec (debatable) clock on reviews. Can’t figure it out in 30 sec, call on the field stands.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:07 pm to I-59 Tiger
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He did indeed. He also said LSU tipped the ball in OT on Young's pass where PI was called."A tip is a tip."
1 is a rule clarification, the other is a judgement call based on camera angles.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:08 pm to TFS4E
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I’m very onboard here. I’ve said for a while there should be a 30 sec (debatable) clock on reviews. Can’t figure it out in 30 sec, call on the field stands.
What's important is that the call is right.
What sucks is when they review everything, it's clear as day and they still get it wrong.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:13 pm to thatthang
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All that said, while I think it's fairly clear it was called correctly as the rules are written, I absolutely hate that play being overturned. Really, this becomes more of a philosophical question than anything and how we define 'indisputable proof.' In my fairly old school eyes on such matters, LSU 'did enough' to get the turnover.
That’s kinda where I’m at. Sometimes we’re going overboard analyzing everything in situations that don’t need to be over-complicated
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:15 pm to 3down10
oh,good grief. You are hopeless.Take off the crimson glasses.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:27 pm to JPLSU1981
This scenario appears in one of this High IQ sports videos..not saying that is Latu was doing it intentionally... But in the video the player on a kickoff moves out of bounds as the ball travels down the sideline..now out of bounds player touched ball making ball out of bounds and a penalty for kicking ball out of bounds
Silly rule but I presume it was due to cover something...I actually called that play as it happened for Latu...I saw that High IQ vid the week before
Silly rule but I presume it was due to cover something...I actually called that play as it happened for Latu...I saw that High IQ vid the week before
Posted on 11/8/22 at 4:06 pm to I-59 Tiger
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oh,good grief. You are hopeless.Take off the crimson glasses.
I understand why you think the ball was tipped, but it was a camera angle. The ball never changed trajectory even in the slightest.
There is no way in the world there was conclusive evidence that the ball was tipped.
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