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re: Can someone ask the REC refs why this wasn’t flagged for targeting?

Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:54 pm to
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:54 pm to
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The only targeting left is when uga puts the final nail in the coffin


Enjoy watching from Louisiana.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:55 pm to
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Major Burns 100% was trying to take our QB out. Jalen was just playing football.


This is exactly what it looked like to me!
Posted by BayouCowboy
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:57 pm to
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I agree, Milroe lowered his head and initiated contact…he should have been flagged for targeting.

Completely agree. And since the rule is as much for safety of the player lowering the crown, they should have taken him out of the game to protect him from himself.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:00 pm to
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Completely agree. And since the rule is as much for safety of the player lowering the crown, they should have taken him out of the game to protect him from himself.


Can someone point me in the direction of NCAA penalty enforcement on ball carriers as it relates to lowering the helmet?

I’d like to learn too!
Posted by Yippie_Ky_yae
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:06 pm to
Why wasn’t this flagged

Bama bias with SEC officials
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:11 pm to
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Why wasn’t this flagged


Because he tripped over LSU’s #15, who had just missed a tackle and was laying on the ground . That seems pretty clear.

This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Lucado
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:13 pm to
Why can't internet user Tuscaloosa post gifs that other people can see?
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:14 pm to
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Why can't internet user Tuscaloosa post gifs that other people can see?


Why can’t other people upgrade their internet service?

ETA: image link LINK
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 6:15 pm
Posted by Yippie_Ky_yae
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:14 pm to
What was he trying to do, block in the back?

Just Refs turning a blind eye
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:16 pm to
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What was he trying to do, block in the back?


Probably clean somebody’s clock. But then a tackle was made and he tripped over another fella on the ground.
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:18 pm to
Damn, now y’all are crying that a shoulder to the helmet of a runner who’s ducking and diving is targeting?

You can justify your thug coach condoning your thug players doing thug things all you want, just man up and don’t be passive aggressive about it
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:18 pm to
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texag7
Shouldn’t you be looking for a coach right now
Posted by Nutriaitch
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:20 pm to
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Can someone point me in the direction of NCAA penalty enforcement on ball carriers as it relates to lowering the helmet?

I’d like to learn too!




I can point you to the rule, and it never specifies that you have to be the defensive guy to be guilty of targeting.

quote:

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact
With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3 No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of their helmet The crown of the helmet is the top segment of the helmet; namely, the circular area defined by a 6-inch radius from the apex (top) of the helmet This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below) When in question, it is a foul (Rule 9-6) (AR 9-1-3-I)


Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch A player leaving their feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet




Nowhere does it say you have to be the defender.
only that you have to innate the contact with the crown.



here is the link to the official NCAA rule book if you'd like

2023 NCAA Football Rulebook

the rule is on page FR-93


I agree offense is never called for it, but the way the rule is written, they very well could be.










Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:22 pm to
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and it never specifies that you have to be the defensive guy to be guilty of targeting.


No, but it does preclude the ballcarrier from being flagged, as the ball carrier cannot tackle, block, or play the ball.

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Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball
Posted by SouthlakeTiger
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:23 pm to
Well one of the indicators you ask for is launching. Any dumbass with you leading that pack can see he didn’t launch.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:24 pm to
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now y’all are crying that a shoulder to the helmet of a runner who’s ducking and diving is targeting?


No, lowering your head and making forcible contact with the crown of your helmet is targeting, which is what Major Burns did on that play.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:24 pm to
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Well one of the indicators you ask for is launching.


Launching is not required, sir.

Only one indicator is required, and this one is met pretty well:

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Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 6:26 pm
Posted by bayou85
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:26 pm to
The defender is standing still
Posted by SouthernInsanity
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:26 pm to
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There are no flags for targeting as a ball carrier. Sorry.


And apparently non for hitting someone under the chin while leading with the helmet either.
Posted by Nutriaitch
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:27 pm to
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No, lowering your head and making forcible contact with the crown of your helmet is targeting, which is what Major Burns did on that play.


you called that forcible?
I mean he literally is standing still at the time of impact.

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