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re: Can OM afford Freeze if he succeeds?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 12:58 pm to OBReb6
Posted on 2/6/13 at 12:58 pm to OBReb6
BTW, I can't imagine that there's a bigger dream job than Michigan. Certainly bigger than Ole Miss. Les knew what he had and was handsomely compensated for it.
Dream job is a cliche. Reality sets in very fast when you don't win. Even faster when you don'
t win with a bunch of 5 star talent.
(this applies to pretty much everywhere but Texas)
Dream job is a cliche. Reality sets in very fast when you don't win. Even faster when you don'
t win with a bunch of 5 star talent.
(this applies to pretty much everywhere but Texas)
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Posted on 2/6/13 at 1:13 pm to MetTiger
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Dream job is a cliche. Reality sets in very fast when you don't win. Even faster when you don'
t win with a bunch of 5 star talent.
im confused have you now changed to the point that you dont think he will succeed and he will be forced out?
Freeze will be in Oxford for a good long while. Just watch some of the post game speeches and the one when his daughter gets up and tells the team while in tears how proud of them she is.
Like someone else said if he keeps this up he will get his money from us no doubt. At that point if a team outbids us by a little bit i dont see him leaving
Posted on 2/6/13 at 1:22 pm to MetTiger
Yes.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 1:34 pm to GatorReb
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Like someone else said if he keeps this up he will get his money from us no doubt.
Exactly. If he can have some sustained success he'll get his money. Pete Boone isn't running the show now, and Oxford's economy is based around football weekends in the fall. If he can turn this early success in recruiting into consistent eight win seasons and pull of 10 or more every now and then, the investment will give Oxford more money to become the Athens of Mississippi it seems to want to be.
They'll pay him if they're smart.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 1:35 pm to Fipitan
Here's an example...
Down the road one day, Saban will retire to his lake. When that day comes, if Freeze is doing relatively well at OM and Bama wants him, he will go - tears or not - if it gives them their best chance to win. They would offer whatever it takes.
Now, if someone walked in your work and offered you 3 times what you make now, and gave you the keys to the Ferrari, you wouldn't take it?
If he's that committed to OM, then you obviously have your man. But when you have a 7-4 record two years in a row you're going to fire him all the same. He knows you all won't return the favor in that case. Even Tom Landry had to go,,,
Down the road one day, Saban will retire to his lake. When that day comes, if Freeze is doing relatively well at OM and Bama wants him, he will go - tears or not - if it gives them their best chance to win. They would offer whatever it takes.
Now, if someone walked in your work and offered you 3 times what you make now, and gave you the keys to the Ferrari, you wouldn't take it?
If he's that committed to OM, then you obviously have your man. But when you have a 7-4 record two years in a row you're going to fire him all the same. He knows you all won't return the favor in that case. Even Tom Landry had to go,,,
Posted on 2/6/13 at 1:40 pm to MetTiger
Ole Miss has a shite ton of alumni money. I am not sure where everyone gets the idea that they're poor. They have cotton money from Mississippi and oil money from Texas. Ole Miss students come from very affluent families.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 1:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I am not sure where everyone gets the idea that they're poor.
Think about Pete Boone and how he spent the money. A man worth 500 million can look poor if he still drives around in a beat up Chevy.
You're right though, there's enough money there to pay what it takes to keep him around.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 2:10 pm to Duke
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Ole Miss has a shite ton of alumni money. I am not sure where everyone gets the idea that they're poor. They have cotton money from Mississippi and oil money from Texas. Ole Miss students come from very affluent families.
OK, soooo why did they pinch the pocketbooks to get a D2 coach instead of a high priced proven winner?
So much of OM's current class is traced to Denzel Nkemdiche - recruited before Freeze - whose #1 in the USA big brother convinced a few other 5 stars to go to OM. Also take note they took RN's teammate Kamara, as well, who may not even qualify.
That's not a program, that's "Look what I found". Again if you look at the OP, "afford" is more than paying the coach. for years, OM has not and at this point, still has not put in the financial resources like LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, UGS, FLA etc to form a comprehensive all around program.
Despite your maintenance about the OM money, it hasn't materialized in the past. that was the gist of my OP, are they ready to do this now? It takes more than a dozen rich guys.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 2:12 pm to MetTiger
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OK, soooo why did they pinch the pocketbooks to get a D2 coach instead of a high priced proven winner?
Maybe they made an awesome business decision? Freeze seems to be working out great.
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So much of OM's current class is traced to Denzel Nkemdiche - recruited before Freeze - whose #1 in the USA big brother convinced a few other 5 stars to go to OM. Also take note they took RN's teammate Kamara, as well, who may not even qualify.
That's not a program, that's "Look what I found". Again if you look at the OP, "afford" is more than paying the coach. for years, OM has not and at this point, still has not put in the financial resources like LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, UGS, FLA etc to form a comprehensive all around program.
Despite your maintenance about the OM money, it hasn't materialized in the past. that was the gist of my OP, are they ready to do this now? It takes more than a dozen rich guys.
Well they are also building new basketball arena, closing off the football stadium, and revamping all athletic facilities. Their new AD Bjork is doing work right now.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 2:18 pm to MetTiger
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Assuming they have some real success down the road, as in winning the SEC, and defeating LSU, Bama, etc, can/will the OM program pony up Saban/Miles money to keep him from another school like Oregon, USC, etc or the NFL.
I expect if he wins, Ole Miss will have to ask Freeze to retire in 20-25 years. I've seen a clip of him speaking of the school as his destination: the job he's dreamed of having since he first started coaching. As a Mississippi native, he was completely believable when he said it.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 2:21 pm to TheCaterpillar
Caterpillar, no doubt they're spending more money, but it's chump change compared to Bama or LSU. Granted their baseball team is solid, and they're wasting money on college hoops which is a dying sport due to early entry.
And according to SEC conspiracy theorists on here, Bama runs the SEC. This impacts them more than LSU. You can be assured that OM will be the most watched program from here on out. It like an IRS audit, it's the blips that get you.
Again, OM is the smallest school in the SEC I believe, and shares MISS money with MSU in the poorest state in the Union. They will have to outspend everyone per capita to win. I just don't see that happening, but that's my opinion. You may be right but we won't know for several years.
And according to SEC conspiracy theorists on here, Bama runs the SEC. This impacts them more than LSU. You can be assured that OM will be the most watched program from here on out. It like an IRS audit, it's the blips that get you.
Again, OM is the smallest school in the SEC I believe, and shares MISS money with MSU in the poorest state in the Union. They will have to outspend everyone per capita to win. I just don't see that happening, but that's my opinion. You may be right but we won't know for several years.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 3:52 pm to MetTiger
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Down the road one day, Saban will retire to his lake. When that day comes, if Freeze is doing relatively well at OM and Bama wants him, he will go - tears or not - if it gives them their best chance to win. They would offer whatever it takes.
This makes zero sense. If I'm freeze and I am successful (9 to 10 wins a year successful) at ole miss and bama comes calling ( natty title every other year = success or your gone) why would I want to put that kind of pressure on myself if I am loved by my current fan base?
And say by some miracle freeze does get us over the hump and gets us to BCS games and sec title games why would he leave a program where he is doing that to rebuild the exact same thing 3 hours down the road?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:05 pm to MetTiger
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OK, soooo why did they pinch the pocketbooks to get a D2 coach instead of a high priced proven winner?
Dumbest question ever. EVVVVEEEERRRRRR.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:07 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Their new AD Bjork is doing work right now.
Freeze fits 5 qtrs of football into 4.
Bjork fits 500 million worth of swag into 65 million worth of budget.
Swagwork.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:10 pm to MetTiger
I'll answer this thread like the many before it and the many that will come...
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:32 pm to RebFeBrees
Hey, I'm OK with the OM fans being pumped today. I would be too given their recent history. It wasn't too long ago we were dealing with DiNardo and Hallman....
I'm not saying that Freeze is a bad coach. He could very well be the real deal, but we need more than one season to determine that. Remember Chizik was two years away from a NC and is now gone. And he had comparable talent to OM if not more. Maybe he can handle 5 star talent better than Mack Brown or Lane Kiffin.
If indeed he is willing to work for less money for equal success to Miles or Saban because he and his daughter love OM so much, good for him and for your boosters' wallets. Maybe his OC and DC have other ideas about getting paid. And ask TENN what it costs to recruit nationally. Just sayin'
I'm not saying that Freeze is a bad coach. He could very well be the real deal, but we need more than one season to determine that. Remember Chizik was two years away from a NC and is now gone. And he had comparable talent to OM if not more. Maybe he can handle 5 star talent better than Mack Brown or Lane Kiffin.
If indeed he is willing to work for less money for equal success to Miles or Saban because he and his daughter love OM so much, good for him and for your boosters' wallets. Maybe his OC and DC have other ideas about getting paid. And ask TENN what it costs to recruit nationally. Just sayin'
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:44 pm to MetTiger
Agreed the jury is still out on Freeze nationally, but good grief, this is the biggest day for Ole Miss fans in years. It definitely was a perfect storm with close tie ins with several 5 stars, but it is still huge in the SEC West as it at least gives us to compete with better players and more depth. I think Freeze will be there for at least 10 yrs as Ole Miss can certainly afford him and his selection as coach was largely based on potential and desire to be there which is the most important factor to me for a small and historically second tier program.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:54 pm to MetTiger
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I'm not saying that Freeze is a bad coach. He could very well be the real deal, but we need more than one season to determine that. Remember Chizik was two years away from a NC and is now gone. And he had comparable talent to OM if not more. Maybe he can handle 5 star talent better than Mack Brown or Lane Kiffin.
Agree 100%. Especially the bold.
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If indeed he is willing to work for less money for equal success to Miles or Saban because he and his daughter love OM so much, good for him and for your boosters' wallets.
The guy wants to do something special here. And with our new leadership, we will pay him.
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Maybe his OC and DC have other ideas about getting paid.
Anything can happen but I would be surprised to see Wommack or Werner Leave. Especially Werner. But fair enough, anything can happen. People will be coming after other assts of ours too.
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And ask TENN what it costs to recruit nationally. Just sayin'
Who??
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 6:13 pm to MetTiger
OM is a stepping stone. If he succeeds he'll move on.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 6:29 pm to Summer of George
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In a two school state like Mississippi
Are you insulting USM or State? I'm hoping it's State.
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