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re: Can Alabama figure out spread offenses or is this the end of Saban
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:25 pm to thatdude1985
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:25 pm to thatdude1985
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Alabama goes down to LSU level now.
Wait, has Saban done better than Chavis at stopping spread/HUNH offenses?
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:25 pm to Cumulonimbus
:wat;
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:26 pm to LanierSpots
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And Marshall did pretty good against your defense as well.
That's what happens on illegal plays. You had multiple linemen more than 5 yards down field. Marshall might have been over the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass as well.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:26 pm to cas4t
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Cade certainly deserves some blame. But so do others. Don't carry that hate in your heart Larry. That's the shite that causes cancer.
Your defense of Cade and analysis regarding what play cost Alabama the game is spot on. Cade isn't the player to blame. If there is one player that should be blamed, it should be Cyrus Jones. He got beat for 3 touchdowns; Marshall overthrew the 1st one. Giving up 14 is much worse than leaving 9 potential points off the board because in all honesty, those 9 points might have been 21 if our offense had overcame Auburn's defense. We can play if's all day. Cade is not the one to blame.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:28 pm to RollTide1987
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That's what happens on illegal plays. You had multiple linemen more than 5 yards down field.
Thats pretty sad man.... Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:29 pm to lsufancy63
Clemson did dominate LSU. The LSU defense is the only thing that kept the game close. Revisit the box score. Clemson held the LSU running game in check. Their defense allowed 2 huge runs: 1 after a star offensive player was knocked out the 1st play of the game, the second after a huge kickoff return. Other than that, LSU had little going for them on offense.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:29 pm to LanierSpots
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:31 pm to LanierSpots
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Thats pretty sad man....
It's the truth, man. The line of scrimmage was roughly the 39 1/2 yard line. You had at least two linemen blocking down field around the 34 yard line when that ball was thrown.
But that's not the reason we lost the game as we should have been up by at least 10 points by that point anyway.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:34 pm to RollTide1987
If you pause the gif you'll notice not one of them are past five yards. The fullback crossed, that's about it. And Marshall's full body is not across the los before you deflect again.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:34 pm to RollTide1987
Let it go bro.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:37 pm to poncho villa
Alabama's main problem with stopping the HUNH is not having a true man up the middle to collapse the pocket. The way LSU, Auburn, and Stanford stopped Oregon was an inside presence to take away the middle, making more predictable play calls to the outside and rely more on the pass. I said in another thread that one of Alabama's main problems last year was no consistency at the JACK position and at NT. You get a guy like Josh Chapman, who dominated in 2011, helped take away the run. Auburn pulled a guard and didn't have to double team Ivory because he didn't demand it like Cody, Chapman, and Aussie. If you get a dominant man in the middle, you can limit the big plays and not have the defense on their heels all the time cause you're in 3rd-and-long instead of 3rd-and-manageable.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:39 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I forgot how tasty those tears were. Thanks for the reminder.
That's what happens on illegal plays. You had multiple linemen more than 5 yards down field. Marshall might have been over the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass as well.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:39 pm to LanierSpots
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LanierSpots
Post more illegal plays.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:58 pm to poncho villa
Malzahn's offense and spread/option offenses in general are simply and not hard to figure out. It's all about blocking and execution. You either have the players on defense who can match up or you don't. Alabama certainly has the talent on defense to match up. Heck, Georgia had Auburn beat last season and pissed the game away with stupid defense in the defensive backfield and our defensive was definitely no better than middle of the pack in the SEC.
To me, Alabama needs to be working on innovation on offense and I'm sure Saban recognizes it which is why he hired Kiffin. I would probably move Yeldon to flanker; the guy is tall and just runs too upright for a tailback. Henry and Drake should be the RB tandem IMHO.
To me, Alabama needs to be working on innovation on offense and I'm sure Saban recognizes it which is why he hired Kiffin. I would probably move Yeldon to flanker; the guy is tall and just runs too upright for a tailback. Henry and Drake should be the RB tandem IMHO.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:27 pm to poncho villa
I think it was a difference in the DL honestly
Alabama always has these huge DL that are only really good for eating up space. Not that many athletic big men. That was the difference in our game I think. Jernigan was pushing Auburns OL around and disrupting plays a lot. They couldn't handle his combination of size and speed.
If Saban gets ahold of some DL that have some agility they'll be fine
Alabama always has these huge DL that are only really good for eating up space. Not that many athletic big men. That was the difference in our game I think. Jernigan was pushing Auburns OL around and disrupting plays a lot. They couldn't handle his combination of size and speed.
If Saban gets ahold of some DL that have some agility they'll be fine
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:32 pm to David Cornwell
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Alabama's main problem with stopping the HUNH is not having a true man up the middle to collapse the pocket. The way LSU, Auburn, and Stanford stopped Oregon was an inside presence to take away the middle, making more predictable play calls to the outside and rely more on the pass. I said in another thread that one of Alabama's main problems last year was no consistency at the JACK position and at NT. You get a guy like Josh Chapman, who dominated in 2011, helped take away the run. Auburn pulled a guard and didn't have to double team Ivory because he didn't demand it like Cody, Chapman, and Aussie. If you get a dominant man in the middle, you can limit the big plays and not have the defense on their heels all the time cause you're in 3rd-and-long instead of 3rd-and-manageable.
AU ran three plays against Bama last year. Even Gary Danielson knew what was coming and called it before the snap. The problem was the pace. By the end of the game, Bama's defense was on their heels to the point AU did not have to use their timeouts.
The only way Saban will counter the HUNH Offense is to develope a substitution system that allows his players to call the Defense. Bama's D was lost looking over to the sideline for plays while AU was snapping the ball. He will have to overhaul his control of the playcalling.
Note: AU doesn't run the same Offense as Oregon.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:41 pm to poncho villa
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Um NO
Sorry brah
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
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That's what happens on illegal plays. You had multiple linemen more than 5 yards down field. Marshall might have been over the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass as well.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:20 pm to redgreen
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redgreen
That picture can also describe the LSU fan base who still cries about a non-interception call 5 years later. Let's not even bring up 1/9.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 3:28 pm to Irons Puppet
Using them as an example to support my theory. Auburn only running 3 plays supports it even more of you're able to take away the middle and have a guy outside to stay disciplined. The 4th down stop Hubbard made in the IB is a perfect example of what I'm trying to get at. The only thing wrong is AU has a QB who runs a 4.3 going on the outside,while also having a FB, a pulled guard, and a RB who can get YAC going up the middle.
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