Started By
Message

re: Cam Newton not impressed with Texas culture

Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:12 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36405 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Cam desperately trying to be relevant for his podcast.

The players we recruited had NIL offers in other places and chose Texas. If you think Texas just outbids everyone for every recruit we have you are naive. Its an aspect for sure but I know personally kids that have come in naming their price and Sark has not wanted to pursue them for one important reasons

If you start with only money as a recruit thats likely all that will drive you. The next year you will be coming back for more and in this sport you can transfer immediately. so the ROI of that NIL package is useless if a Fresh take the money and then leaves the next year.

These colleges are run by smart people who know how to negotiate and can spot a kid and his agent / family only focused on money a mile away. The majoriy of those kids Texas is going to pass on unless they are 5 star.


Posted by TexasWranglers
Member since Sep 2024
1334 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:39 pm to
Do you honestly think Texas (or any top tier program) just says how much and writes a check to 18 year olds without due diligence?

NIL is funded primarily from people with business backgrounds who demand ROI and will not allow an 18 year old or their family to demand $$$ if they think thats all their chasing. Thats a horrible investment.

Also if you truly think Texas culture isn't better with Sark vs Charlie and Herman you are not paying attention. Herman used tactics from Urban Meyer which didnt work and hired his buddies as assistants and Charlie while nice was over his head and didnt know how to instill culture. We had players actively negative recruiting while on campus it got so bad.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

if you truly think Texas culture isn't better with Sark vs Charlie and Herman


wow, tough measuring sticks. Charlie and Herman.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36405 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

Do you honestly think Texas (or any top tier program) just says how much and writes a check to 18 year olds without due diligence?

NIL is funded primarily from people with business backgrounds who demand ROI and will not allow an 18 year old or their family to demand $$$ if they think thats all their chasing. Thats a horrible investment.

Also if you truly think Texas culture isn't better with Sark vs Charlie and Herman you are not paying attention. Herman used tactics from Urban Meyer which didnt work and hired his buddies as assistants and Charlie while nice was over his head and didnt know how to instill culture. We had players actively negative recruiting while on campus it got so bad.


Texas fans: We are rich, we can outbid everyone and will.

Also Texas fans: We aren't buying off players, they come here for the culture, not because we outbid everyone.



As for Sark, I doubt he created any kind of culture. You'd all be ready to fire him if not for the super easy schedule you got last year.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

You'd all be ready to fire him if not for the super easy schedule you got


For the foreseeable future, you will always be saying our schedule was easy.

And for us - it will be.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26691 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:52 pm to
Oregon has the money but for some reason can't get the players to push them over the hump.
Posted by NWLA_Bama
Member since Aug 2024
1252 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:52 pm to
Culture building is on its way to the graveyard just like recruiting rankings. Whether it's Sark or any other coach, the allure of "more money" will be front and center and be the main priority in the lion's share of players and recruits moving forward. Culture will have nothing to do with their decision on where to play. We're giving them waaaay too much credit.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
55851 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

but I know personally kids that have come in naming their price



Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36405 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:56 pm to
quote:



For the foreseeable future, you will always be saying our schedule was easy.

And for us - it will be.


Maybe someday you will understand what SoS actually is.

I bet only about 10% of Texas fans were Texas fans 3 years ago. You guys don't know shite.

Horns High everyone, Horns High!


Posted by TexasWranglers
Member since Sep 2024
1334 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:56 pm to
We can outbid 95% of programs thats just a fact, not a brag just a fact. At the same time its not the only part of the equation, culture is very important otherwise you get bad apples that can ruin a locker room. I never said NIL $$ wasn't a driver as it is for every program now but it isnt the only thing.

Arch could have gone anywhere, you think what Sark was building wasnt and the culture at Texas wasnt important to him?

When you evaluate a job offer is it 100% about money? Same is true when Texas recruits players and a culture fit is part of that equation.

Our SOS was top 15 -20 by every measurement I have seen but keep telling yourself this false narrative lol.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Maybe someday you will understand what SoS actually is.


I can't believe what I said zoomed straight over your head. It wasn't that profound.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4912 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

The players we recruited had NIL offers in other places and chose Texas. If you think Texas just outbids everyone for every recruit we have you are naive. Its an aspect for sure but I know personally kids that have come in naming their price and Sark has not wanted to pursue them for one important reasons

If you start with only money as a recruit thats likely all that will drive you. The next year you will be coming back for more and in this sport you can transfer immediately. so the ROI of that NIL package is useless if a Fresh take the money and then leaves the next year.

These colleges are run by smart people who know how to negotiate and can spot a kid and his agent / family only focused on money a mile away. The majoriy of those kids Texas is going to pass on unless they are 5 star.


What a laughable crock of shite.....
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36405 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

Culture building is on its way to the graveyard just like recruiting rankings. Whether it's Sark or any other coach, the allure of "more money" will be front and center and be the main priority in the lion's share of players and recruits moving forward. Culture will have nothing to do with their decision on where to play. We're giving them waaaay too much credit.


Perhaps, but at the same time it's even more important than ever.

I think the ability to spot the right players will become a premium. A 3 or 4 star who puts in the work is more valuable than a 5 star who doesn't. It's going to be difficult to have good culture as you say, but if you can manage it then it will be rewarded.

I'm not buying that Sark is doing anything culture wise though. He's been living off hype from his time at Alabama while hitting from the women's Tee at Texas.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36405 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

I can't believe what I said zoomed straight over your head. It wasn't that profound.


All you did was demonstrate you don't know what the SoS metric is because you thought it was based on how well Texas does against the teams it plays.

You can lose every single game and have the #1 SoS, and you can win every game and have the #1 SoS.
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted by TheFourHorsemen
Next door to Ric Flair
Member since Jul 2021
5212 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:05 pm to
He likes the vibe of San Francisco better. Not all men wear dresses in Austin.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36405 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

We can outbid 95% of programs thats just a fact, not a brag just a fact. At the same time its not the only part of the equation, culture is very important otherwise you get bad apples that can ruin a locker room. I never said NIL $$ wasn't a driver as it is for every program now but it isnt the only thing.

Arch could have gone anywhere, you think what Sark was building wasnt and the culture at Texas wasnt important to him?

When you evaluate a job offer is it 100% about money? Same is true when Texas recruits players and a culture fit is part of that equation.

Our SOS was top 15 -20 by every measurement I have seen but keep telling yourself this false narrative lol.


I keep track of SoS, I don't bear false witness. These were the SoS rankings at the end of the regular season last year for the SEC.

2. Georgia 2.37
3. Florida 2.18
4. Oklahoma 2.03
7. LSU 1.89
8. Arkansas 1.88
11. Kentucky 1.85
12. Miss St 1.81
13. South Carolina 1.76
14. Vandy 1.70
15. Alabama 1.52
21. Tennessee 1.30
24. Missouri 1.22
27. Ole Miss 1.18
28. Texas A&M 1.15
42. Auburn .85
43. Texas .85

An elite team wasn't expected to have a single loss on your schedule, but you still managed one.

This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:10 pm to
I bet nobody ever told Cam to "pin your ears back"
Posted by LividHorn
Member since Mar 2025
22 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:27 pm to
Actually, no one, including the majority of Texas fans, thought Sark would be doing this well. He came here on thin ice for his off the field problems and it has paid off in dividends.

This isn’t the pros. You’re dealing with 18-22 year old kids that feel entitled. They have to want to be here or else they will look to go somewhere else. Whether that is because they aren’t a cultural fit or aren’t getting enough playing time. The money may lure them in, but it doesn’t make a team. Otherwise, the Yankees would be winning the WS every year. They can outspend everyone else and stack their team with individual superstars better than anyone. Kids are going to go to a school that pays them well but they have a chance to succeed going into the next step of their careers.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Actually, no one, including the majority of Texas fans, thought Sark would be doing this well.


I'll even go so far as to say CDC had Patterson on-deck, while waiting for Sark to play out.

But in today's world of paid athletes, you'd have to work hard to fail at Texas.
Posted by TexasOnTop
Member since Nov 2023
6189 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

we know money is the reason programs like Texas, Oregon, and OSU are winning, their pockets are deeper than most.


You just listed 2 blue bloods and a team that for the last 20 years has averaged 10 wins a season, as teams that are “winning because of money”.
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 3Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on X and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter