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re: Bridge Schedules explained
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:01 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:01 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
LOL at A&M fans realizing they changed conferences just to be little brother to someone else...
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Alabama got to avoid their entire rotation with Georgia just when Georgia had one of their better teams.
True, but someone had to play Mizzou. And hosting the defending national champ creates a lot more buzz than hosting Arky.
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LSU got SC and Florida when they were both 11-game winners, and now we get Georgia and Florida when they are both leading candidates to win the East. Alabama gets the two teams that combined to go 1-15 in the SEC last year, with that one win coming when they played each other and someone had to win.
True, and though it may seem unfair, every match-up you just listed would've happened if there had been no expansion as I explained in the OP.
I understand why LSU fans feel like they got jobbed. The SEC Office stated that the bridge schedules are independent of past and future schedules, so at first look it appears that the SEC Office just arbitrarily picked hard games for LSU and easy games for Bama. The reality is that they followed the normal rotation. LSU was due to face USC and UGA. Bama was due to face UK. Yes, the Bama-UGA game got dropped as did the UF-Ole Miss ('12), USC-Ole Miss ('13), and Vandy-State ('13) games - it's the price of expansion.
I don't have a problem with LSU fans (or other fans) griping about the schedules not being equal in difficulty. But a lot of people don't understand what methodology was used. But no methodology is going to make equal schedules for every team.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:21 pm to sarc
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I don't have a problem with LSU fans (or other fans) griping about the schedules not being equal in difficulty. But a lot of people don't understand what methodology was used. But no methodology is going to make equal schedules for every team.
I agree. I'm mostly disappointed that 2014 will be year three of the bridge scheduling. Terrible planning.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:23 pm to sarc
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I don't have a problem with LSU fans (or other fans) griping about the schedules not being equal in difficulty. But a lot of people don't understand what methodology was used. But no methodology is going to make equal schedules for every team.
You're right, but the more you randomize the schedules the more equitable you can be.
We are getting widely inequitable schedules for teams in the same division. That shouldn't happen when you're looking for the team from that division to best represent it in the CCG.
Think about it. Cross-divisional schedules are starting to become the deciding factor in determining a division champion.
Nobody should want that, as much as I don't want to see the Florida game go. It's not good for the league.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:23 pm to graychef
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I agree. I'm mostly disappointed that 2014 will be year three of the bridge scheduling. Terrible planning.
Agreed. Issue a long term schedule and if something changes down the line (expansion or 9 conference games), then modify it or just issue a new one. No excuse for going year-to-year this long.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:27 pm to sarc
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:31 pm to sarc
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But a lot of people don't understand what methodology was used.
The problem is that a lot of LSU fans know exactly what methodology was used.
Mizzou wasn't considered to be a major player their first year. Why stick them with Bama? Bama already has the legacy cupcake in UT.
Next year the methodology somehow finds the next weakest team in the East for Bama to add to its schedule.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:32 pm to graychef
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I'm mostly disappointed that 2014 will be year three of the bridge scheduling. Terrible planning.
And especially considering they said last year would be the final year, it just makes things seem fishy. Anybody know how long it took for the PAC or BIG to come up with a permanent rotation?
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:38 pm to Gray Tiger
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Mizzou wasn't considered to be a major player their first year. Why stick them with Bama?
For the same reason A&M got UF even though A&M wasn't considered to be a major player. Those marquee cross-division games hosted by A&M and Mizzou helped build buzz and anticipation in those programs about their 1st year home game slates.
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Next year the methodology somehow finds the next weakest team in the East for Bama to add to its schedule
So, if Bama draws USCe and LSU draws Vandy, you'll come back to this thread to post that you were wrong?
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:48 pm to sarc
I assume FLA skipped whoever was supposed to come on in 2012 for them too? Not a flame, I don't know their rotation?
I just don't understand what makes this so hard. Squeeze aTm and Mizzou in somewhere, then run the schedules forward from there, and release a permanent rotation 2 years ago.
Like you said, if 6-1-2, or 6-2 becomes a reality later on, then so be it, change it and release a new one. I just don't understand what anyone was thinking that makes 3 years of make-shift scheduling necessary.
I just don't understand what makes this so hard. Squeeze aTm and Mizzou in somewhere, then run the schedules forward from there, and release a permanent rotation 2 years ago.
Like you said, if 6-1-2, or 6-2 becomes a reality later on, then so be it, change it and release a new one. I just don't understand what anyone was thinking that makes 3 years of make-shift scheduling necessary.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:54 pm to CrippleCreek
Not meant to be a flame...
Slive is in a good position right now. Not only does Bama keep making the NT they are winning as well. When measuring that against other conferences why would you blow that up? The only thing better would be 2 SEC teams in the NT every year.
Slive is in a good position right now. Not only does Bama keep making the NT they are winning as well. When measuring that against other conferences why would you blow that up? The only thing better would be 2 SEC teams in the NT every year.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:04 pm to CrippleCreek
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I assume FLA skipped whoever was supposed to come on in 2012 for them too? Not a flame, I don't know their rotation?
Yeah, the UF-Ole Miss match-up got skipped over like the Bama-UGA match-up.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:14 pm to sarc
I will say that I understand what the schedulers did, but I still think it was stupid.
When the hell are UGA/OM going to rotate back for Bama/UF 5 years from now?
Those teams haven't played each other since 2008 in the regular season. As the schedule stands, and basing off of the last two years of schedules, they won't play until something like 2017.
I think if you plug aTm and Mizzou in where you did, but bump the rotation for Bama/UF 1 year instead of a whole skip you could have slid into a rotation not very dissimilar to what we had before expansion. Is that off?
When the hell are UGA/OM going to rotate back for Bama/UF 5 years from now?
Those teams haven't played each other since 2008 in the regular season. As the schedule stands, and basing off of the last two years of schedules, they won't play until something like 2017.
I think if you plug aTm and Mizzou in where you did, but bump the rotation for Bama/UF 1 year instead of a whole skip you could have slid into a rotation not very dissimilar to what we had before expansion. Is that off?
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:26 pm to CrippleCreek
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I think if you plug aTm and Mizzou in where you did, but bump the rotation for Bama/UF 1 year instead of a whole skip you could have slid into a rotation not very dissimilar to what we had before expansion. Is that off?
I think there's a way to make that work. Bama/UGA and UF/Ole Miss in '13. A&M plays either Bama or Ole Miss' '13 opponent. Mizzou plays either UGA or UF's '13 opponent. The odd 2 teams out play each other. Then you just keep doing that every year. Seems better than skipping 2 match-ups completely to me.
That's why I'm not sure the '14 schedule will look like it should based on the '12 and '13 schedules. It would be kinda stupid to keep bumping cross-division match-ups with no plan to make them up.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:29 pm to sarc
Here is a thread I stated about six weeks ago and has all the facts.
In 2014, Alabama should get USC, while LSU gets Vandy. If that doesn't happen, it's confirmed the fix is in. 2014 should resemble 2009.
Remember the college football world is anxious to see if the defending national champs can go through the gauntlet of their 1-15 cross divisional schedule.
FWIW, this was even discussed the other day on local radio in Colorado. Basically, sure Bama's a good team, but boy have they had some breaks the last few years.
LINK
What Happened:
In both years, 4/7 matchups followed a similar pattern as the 2007 season. In 2012, the 4 matchups made sense and teams played ones where the opponents were next in line. LSU/USC is an example. USC was due to come to Tiger Stadium and did.
There were 2 new games with the new teams, and one odd one. In 2012 Ole Miss played UGA for the second consecutive year.
In 2013, 4/7 duplicated the 2008 season, although the home and visitors switched. LSU/UGA is an example of that as is Bama/UK. There are also two new teams, and one strange matchup--MSU@USC. These two teams played in 2006, 2007, and 2011.
Overall, 2 matchups were completely avoided in the bridge schedules: Alabama/UGA & Ole Miss/Florida. Both have not played since 2008.
LSU/Arkansas and UT/UK follow the exact same pattern. Everyone else varies slightly.
The 2012 schedule was released Dec 28, 2011. Going into 2012, LSU and Bama were clearly the top teams, with UGA and USC right behind them. Both were scheduled to play under old system. They kept LSU/USC, which put a huge dent in either team, and did away with UGA/Alabama.
The 2013 schedule was released on October 18, 2012, mid-season. The SEC seems to have gone away from the high exposure crossover games from 2012 for the noobs (Florida/Bama) in favor of Vandy/Ole Miss. The two team with disrupted schedules (Florida/Bama) essentially skipped their 2007 slate and moved the 2008 where Bama avoided UGA again in favor of UK at team they played in 2009, and UF avoided Ole Miss for Arkansas, who they also played last in 2009. At the time, Bama, Florida, LSU, UGA, and USC were in the top 10, basically. A&M was had 1 loss but was way behind. UK, UT, MU, Arky, appeared to be terrible.
Here is the complete cross-divisional schedules since 2005:
LSU
2005 UT a Vandy Florida
2006 UK a UT at Florida
2007 USC a UK Florida
2008 UGA a USC at Florida
2009 Vandy a UGA Florida
2010 UT a Vandy at Florida
2011 UK a UT Florida
2012 USC at Florida
2013 a UGA Florida
Bama
2005 UF a USC UT
2006 Vandy a UF at UT
2007 UGA a Vandy UT
2008 UK a UGA at UT
2009 USC a UK UT
2010 UF a USC at UT
2011 Vandy a UF UT
2012 a Mizzou at UT
2013 a UK UT
Georgia
2005 Ark a MSU Auburn
2006 MSU a UM at Auburn
2007 UM a Bama Auburn
2008 Bama a LSU at Auburn
2009 LSU a Ark Auburn
2010 Ark a MSU at Auburn
2011 MSU a UM Auburn
2012 UM at Auburn
2013 LSU at Auburn
Auburn
2005 USC a UK at Uga
2006 UF a USC UGA
2007 Vandy a UF at Uga
2008 UT a Vandy UGA
2009 UK a UT at Uga
2010 USC a UK UGA
2011 UF a USC at Uga
2012 a Vandy UGA
2013 a UT UGA
Florida
2005 MSU a Bama at LSU
2006 Bama a Auburn LSU
2007 Auburn a UM at LSU
2008 UM a Ark LSU
2009 Ark a MSU at LSU
2010 MSU a Bama LSU
2011 Bama a Auburn at LSU
2012 a A&M LSU
2013 Arkansas at LSU
UT
2005 UM a LSU at Bama
2006 LSU a Ark Bama
2007 Ark a MSU at Bama
2008 MSU a Auburn Bama
2009 Auburn a UM at Bama
2010 UM a LSU Bama
2011 LSU a Ark at Bama
2012 a MSU Bama
2013 Auburn at Bama
UM
2005 UK a UT at Vandy
2006 UGA a UK Vandy
2007 UF a UGA at Vandy
2008 USC a UF Vandy
2009 UT a USC at Vandy
2010 UK a UT Vandy
2011 UGA a UK at Vandy
2012 a UGA Vandy
2013 Mizzou at Vandy
USC
2005 Bama a Auburn at Arkansas
2006 Auburn a MSU Arkansas
2007 MSU a LSU at Arkansas
2008 LSU a UM Arkansas
2009 UM a Bama at Arkansas
2010 Bama a Auburn Arkansas
2011 Auburn a MSU at Arkansas
2012 a LSU Arkansas
2013 MSU at Arkansas
MSU
2005 UGA a UF UK
2006 USC a UGA at UK
2007 UT a USC UK
2008 Vandy a UT at UK
2009 UF a Vandy UK
2010 UGA a UF at UK
2011 USC a UGA UK
2012 UT at UK
2013 a USC UK
Vandy
2005 LSU a Ark UM
2006 Ark a Bama at UM
2007 Bama a Auburn UM
2008 Auburn a MSU at UM
2009 MSU a LSU UM
2010 LSU a Ark at UM
2011 Ark a Bama UM
2012 Auburn at UM
2013 a A&M UM
Arkansas
2005 Vandy a UGA USC
2006 UT a Vandy at USC
2007 UK a UT USC
2008 UF a UK at USC
2009 UGA a UF USC
2010 Vandy a UGA at USC
2011 UT a Vandy USC
2012 UK at USC
2013 a UF USC
UK
2005 Auburn a UM at MSU
2006 UM a LSU MSU
2007 LSU a Ark at MSU
2008 Ark a Bama MSU
2009 Bama a Auburn at MSU
2010 Auburn a UM MSU
2011 UM a LSU at MSU
2012 a Ark MSU
2013 Bama at MSU
In 2014, Alabama should get USC, while LSU gets Vandy. If that doesn't happen, it's confirmed the fix is in. 2014 should resemble 2009.
Remember the college football world is anxious to see if the defending national champs can go through the gauntlet of their 1-15 cross divisional schedule.
FWIW, this was even discussed the other day on local radio in Colorado. Basically, sure Bama's a good team, but boy have they had some breaks the last few years.
LINK
What Happened:
In both years, 4/7 matchups followed a similar pattern as the 2007 season. In 2012, the 4 matchups made sense and teams played ones where the opponents were next in line. LSU/USC is an example. USC was due to come to Tiger Stadium and did.
There were 2 new games with the new teams, and one odd one. In 2012 Ole Miss played UGA for the second consecutive year.
In 2013, 4/7 duplicated the 2008 season, although the home and visitors switched. LSU/UGA is an example of that as is Bama/UK. There are also two new teams, and one strange matchup--MSU@USC. These two teams played in 2006, 2007, and 2011.
Overall, 2 matchups were completely avoided in the bridge schedules: Alabama/UGA & Ole Miss/Florida. Both have not played since 2008.
LSU/Arkansas and UT/UK follow the exact same pattern. Everyone else varies slightly.
The 2012 schedule was released Dec 28, 2011. Going into 2012, LSU and Bama were clearly the top teams, with UGA and USC right behind them. Both were scheduled to play under old system. They kept LSU/USC, which put a huge dent in either team, and did away with UGA/Alabama.
The 2013 schedule was released on October 18, 2012, mid-season. The SEC seems to have gone away from the high exposure crossover games from 2012 for the noobs (Florida/Bama) in favor of Vandy/Ole Miss. The two team with disrupted schedules (Florida/Bama) essentially skipped their 2007 slate and moved the 2008 where Bama avoided UGA again in favor of UK at team they played in 2009, and UF avoided Ole Miss for Arkansas, who they also played last in 2009. At the time, Bama, Florida, LSU, UGA, and USC were in the top 10, basically. A&M was had 1 loss but was way behind. UK, UT, MU, Arky, appeared to be terrible.
Here is the complete cross-divisional schedules since 2005:
LSU
2005 UT a Vandy Florida
2006 UK a UT at Florida
2007 USC a UK Florida
2008 UGA a USC at Florida
2009 Vandy a UGA Florida
2010 UT a Vandy at Florida
2011 UK a UT Florida
2012 USC at Florida
2013 a UGA Florida
Bama
2005 UF a USC UT
2006 Vandy a UF at UT
2007 UGA a Vandy UT
2008 UK a UGA at UT
2009 USC a UK UT
2010 UF a USC at UT
2011 Vandy a UF UT
2012 a Mizzou at UT
2013 a UK UT
Georgia
2005 Ark a MSU Auburn
2006 MSU a UM at Auburn
2007 UM a Bama Auburn
2008 Bama a LSU at Auburn
2009 LSU a Ark Auburn
2010 Ark a MSU at Auburn
2011 MSU a UM Auburn
2012 UM at Auburn
2013 LSU at Auburn
Auburn
2005 USC a UK at Uga
2006 UF a USC UGA
2007 Vandy a UF at Uga
2008 UT a Vandy UGA
2009 UK a UT at Uga
2010 USC a UK UGA
2011 UF a USC at Uga
2012 a Vandy UGA
2013 a UT UGA
Florida
2005 MSU a Bama at LSU
2006 Bama a Auburn LSU
2007 Auburn a UM at LSU
2008 UM a Ark LSU
2009 Ark a MSU at LSU
2010 MSU a Bama LSU
2011 Bama a Auburn at LSU
2012 a A&M LSU
2013 Arkansas at LSU
UT
2005 UM a LSU at Bama
2006 LSU a Ark Bama
2007 Ark a MSU at Bama
2008 MSU a Auburn Bama
2009 Auburn a UM at Bama
2010 UM a LSU Bama
2011 LSU a Ark at Bama
2012 a MSU Bama
2013 Auburn at Bama
UM
2005 UK a UT at Vandy
2006 UGA a UK Vandy
2007 UF a UGA at Vandy
2008 USC a UF Vandy
2009 UT a USC at Vandy
2010 UK a UT Vandy
2011 UGA a UK at Vandy
2012 a UGA Vandy
2013 Mizzou at Vandy
USC
2005 Bama a Auburn at Arkansas
2006 Auburn a MSU Arkansas
2007 MSU a LSU at Arkansas
2008 LSU a UM Arkansas
2009 UM a Bama at Arkansas
2010 Bama a Auburn Arkansas
2011 Auburn a MSU at Arkansas
2012 a LSU Arkansas
2013 MSU at Arkansas
MSU
2005 UGA a UF UK
2006 USC a UGA at UK
2007 UT a USC UK
2008 Vandy a UT at UK
2009 UF a Vandy UK
2010 UGA a UF at UK
2011 USC a UGA UK
2012 UT at UK
2013 a USC UK
Vandy
2005 LSU a Ark UM
2006 Ark a Bama at UM
2007 Bama a Auburn UM
2008 Auburn a MSU at UM
2009 MSU a LSU UM
2010 LSU a Ark at UM
2011 Ark a Bama UM
2012 Auburn at UM
2013 a A&M UM
Arkansas
2005 Vandy a UGA USC
2006 UT a Vandy at USC
2007 UK a UT USC
2008 UF a UK at USC
2009 UGA a UF USC
2010 Vandy a UGA at USC
2011 UT a Vandy USC
2012 UK at USC
2013 a UF USC
UK
2005 Auburn a UM at MSU
2006 UM a LSU MSU
2007 LSU a Ark at MSU
2008 Ark a Bama MSU
2009 Bama a Auburn at MSU
2010 Auburn a UM MSU
2011 UM a LSU at MSU
2012 a Ark MSU
2013 Bama at MSU
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:30 pm to sarc
I remember one time when the schedule didn't favor Bama...
They had 3 losses in the regular season and the shite hit the fan in the Birmingam office. We're sorry Mr. Saban, how does a lifetime supply of the bottom feeders from Knoxville and all the Vandy, Kentucky, and Mizzou we can serve up to you?
They had 3 losses in the regular season and the shite hit the fan in the Birmingam office. We're sorry Mr. Saban, how does a lifetime supply of the bottom feeders from Knoxville and all the Vandy, Kentucky, and Mizzou we can serve up to you?
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:34 pm to Choupique19
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We're sorry Mr. Saban, how does a lifetime supply of the bottom feeders from Knoxville and all the Vandy, Kentucky, and Mizzou we can serve up to you?
Type better
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:36 pm to sarc
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That's why I'm not sure the '14 schedule will look like it should based on the '12 and '13 schedules. It would be kinda stupid to keep bumping cross-division match-ups with no plan to make them up.
I think we're beyond this now. They just need to set the long term schedule and go with it, stop dickin around.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:39 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Just beat the teams on your schedule and quit whining.
That's the common response from Bama fans, but Saban sure cried like a toddler after 2010.
That's the common response from Bama fans, but Saban sure cried like a toddler after 2010.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:42 pm to Choupique19
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They had 3 losses in the regular season and the shite hit the fan in the Birmingam office
You mean when the 12 SEC members voted unanimously to put restrictions on the number of bye rested opponents that any SEC team faces in a season?
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