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re: Brian Kelly can’t say that he loves beating Georgia.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:18 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:18 pm to DawginSC
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Those are his similar comparisons. Those are all solid coaches. You just have to realize that those are the guys in the same range as him as a coach. Not Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer or Kirby Smart.
You seem to be confused.
No one is saying that Kelly is the next Saban, LSU fans do believe he can win a title at LSU though.
Those are two very different things.
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Have won titles without him too.
Yup.
The 2 loss championship?
Is that the one you are referencing?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:22 pm to TigerLunatik
Kansas couldn’t win with Bear Bryant.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:25 pm to Uga Alum
That isn't even relevant. Every school needs an elite coach to go on an elite run. No school (including Bama) is going to go on a run like they are right now without an elite coach.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:25 pm to meansonny
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Yup.
The 2 loss championship?
Is that the one you are referencing?
I mean we can pick apart any championship.
For instance, we could say Georgia has no championships if Alabama's receivers stay healthy and if targeting on Marvin Harrison Jr is called.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I mean we can pick apart any championship
Lol
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:00 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You seem to be confused.
No one is saying that Kelly is the next Saban, LSU fans do believe he can win a title at LSU though.
Those are two very different things.
Those are two different things, but I'm not all that sold on him winning one at LSU due to the simple fact he hasn't really won a big post season game or conference championship game at the division 1 level. His only win is the MAC conference championship in 2006.
So far he's been mostly one of those guys who puts together a solid on the field product but doesn't seem to be able to up his game for big games. He puts the same good product out there and when big games come where other coaches elevate their squads, he puts out the same product as always.
Mark Richt had a lot of that in him, thus his multiple seasons of getting very close but coming up short.
The less steady guys who have erratic brilliance, or the guys who take over a well developed squad can wometimes win a title with without being elite coaches. I'd say Les Miles and and Ed Orgeron both fit in that "erratic" category. Lane Kiffin would as well. They'd have more seasons that would be disappointments, but also would have some that significantly outperformed the norm and might result in a title at a school like LSU.
While it doesn't apply to LSU really, Larry Coker and Gene Chizik would be examples of guys who inherited a developed squad and rode it to a title, but never could do the same with "their guys".
The "steady hand" guys though... they don't seem to win titles anymore unless they were elite coaches. Last non-elite, steady hand guy to win a title maybe was Mack Brown? Before him it was more common with guys like Lloyd Carr, Phil Fulmer and such.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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For instance, we could say Georgia has no championships if Alabama's receivers stay healthy and if targeting on Marvin Harrison Jr is called.
Well, the above is an excuse. We woulda won IFFFF......
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The 2 loss championship?
That is a fact. The championship was won with 2 losses. There's no "if" involved there.
See the difference?
Other facts are:
"The 2020 championship was a covid year where many conferences didn't play OOC games."
or
"UGA won the more important of the two matchups between Bama and UGA in the 2021 season."
Other excuses are
"If Bama hadn't benched Hurts and put in Tua, UGA would have won in 2017."
or
"If Colt McCoy hadn't gotten hurt, Texas would have beaten Bama for a NC."
or
"If LSU hadn't had to play Bama twice, they would have won another national title."
"IF" is the word that clues you into it being an excuse. As opposed to simply stating that something happened, like "Bama didn't have the depth to compete with UGA after WR injuries in 2021."
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:06 pm to DawginSC
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Those are two different things, but I'm not all that sold on him winning one at LSU due to the simple fact he hasn't really won a big post season game or conference championship game at the division 1 level. His only win is the MAC conference championship in 2006.
How many years has he coached in a conference with a conference title game since 2006?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:08 pm to SidewalkTiger
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How many years has he coached in a conference with a conference title game since 2006?
Two.
He's 0-2.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:10 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You seem to be confused.
No one is saying that Kelly is the next Saban, LSU fans do believe he can win a title at LSU though.
Those are two very different things.
So now Kelly is not Elite?? Just trying to keep up with all your goalposts movement.
And all you still sticking to ND not being an elite program?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:18 pm to DrewDawg13
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So now Kelly is not Elite?? Just trying to keep up with all your goalposts movement.
Kelly was elite at Grand Valley State and Cincinnati for those programs, I don't think he's overall an elite coach though.
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And all you still sticking to ND not being an elite program?
Notre Dame is historically an elite program.
If we're talking about elite programs today and within the average recruit's lifetime, they are not.
They are a blue blood but not an elite program in today's college football.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:20 pm to DawginSC
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Two.
He's 0-2.
So he's only coached in a conference with a conference title game for 2 seasons since 2006 and reached the conference title game both years.
Pretty good.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:27 pm to DawginSC
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Well, it's not really random, but rather cherry picked.
I said that LSU has been a better program than ND since at least 1997. In order to find the better program in a certain time frame you kind of have to cherry pick. That said they (LSU) has been better (as a whole) than ND almost every year
since....1997.
quote:Yes. because that is when LSU became the more dominate program. That was my whole point. I have to say, you are confusing me. Did you not understand what I was saying?
Lou Holtz's last season at ND was in 1996 and you started with 1997. You picked the year after ND's last really good coach left.
quote:Ok. Pretty sure i also pointed that out.
While the jury is still out of Freeman, that's a whole lot of average to sucky after Holtz.
I also said that Kelly looks to be a good coach, and how good will have to be seen in his tenure at LSU.
I can only assume you either did not read my posts or misunderstood them?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:29 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Kelly was elite at Grand Valley State and Cincinnati for those programs, I don't think he's overall an elite coach though.
So he is not elite, and very debatable if he was elite at those programs.
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Notre Dame is historically an elite program.
If we're talking about elite programs today and within the average recruit's lifetime, they are not.
They are a blue blood but not an elite program in today's college football.
Strongly disagree. ND is still viewed as an elite program, and still very relevant today.
If we are saying elite programs within a recruits life then really only Bama, Clemson, UGA and maybe OSU would be viewed as currently elite.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:32 pm to DrewDawg13
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Strongly disagree. ND is still viewed as an elite program, and still very relevant today.
If we are saying elite programs within a recruits life then really only Bama, Clemson, UGA and maybe OSU would be viewed as currently elite.
You can disagree, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.
It's hard to contend Notre Dame is actually as relevant as the elite programs when you look deeper than name recognition though.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:34 pm to Uga Alum
Dude has been there one year, stop trolling.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Lou Holtz's last season at ND was in 1996 and you started with 1997. You picked the year after ND's last really good coach left.
Yes. because that is when LSU became the more dominate program.
That was my whole point. I have to say, you are confusing me. Did you not understand what I was saying?
There's a lot of not understanding going on here.
The real measure of LSU as a program as far as what it is today starts in 2001 when Skip Bertman and Mark Emmert decided to put more resources into football to compete for championships. Prior to that, the goal was mainly just to turn a profit without having to invest too much. Obviously Nick Saban is a gigantic part of that. But, he couldn't have done what he did without the support of the administration which wasn't there previously.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:36 pm to DrewDawg13
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Strongly disagree. ND is still viewed as an elite program
Maybe by old people in the media that can't let it go. But, they've lost the big advantage that they had when they were the only team on TV every week. The recruits that are choosing which school to go to don't see them as elite. They've never know them as that. I say the same thing about LSU baseball. None of these kids care about what happened in the 90s.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:39 pm to DrewDawg13
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Strongly disagree. ND is still viewed as an elite program, and still very relevant today.
It depends on your definition of elite, I guess. It's been awhile since they have been ranked #1 in the country, and the last time they were Alabama ran a truck through them. To me, elite means they have a chance to win the title.
What is your definition of elite?
Keep in mind you are hating on Kelly and saying he is not elite (Which I tend to agree with at this point) yet the only success ND has had in the last 20-30 years has been while Kelly was coach. If you consider what ND has accomplished the past few years as elite, then you would have to say that Kelly is elite.
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