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re: Brett McMurphy: SEC and BIG10 unlikely to add FSU if it leaves the ACC
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:53 am to twk
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:53 am to twk
Adding OU and UT was a brilliant move, and I hate both institutions. Quit thinking about the immediate contract and think about the future. It's a 100-year decision. ESPN may not have upped the anti this contract. But as streaming becomes more and more relevant, more competition is going to enter the CFB market. With the playoff, it's going to make interest in the sport explode. And the dollars will follow. We're in an era of CFB unlike anything in our lifetimes.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:00 am to CarolinaGamecock99
What Clemson, unc, and Miami ?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:00 am to bamameister
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National Championships this century:
ACC - 4
B1G - 3
B12 - 2
With teams moving conferences this is misleading.
The Big 12's 2 are moving to the SEC.
The ACC has 3 of their 4 trying to leave.
The Big 10 added championships from Southern Cal.
The reality is it's 5 in the Big 10, 16 in the SEC, 3 from the ACC trying desperately to get to the Big 10 or SEC...
And Miami's one title in 2001 floating in the wind.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:06 am to House77
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ESPN may not have upped the anti this contract.
I think the word you’re looking for is ante.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:09 am to theCAW
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He did ask “outside of FSU and Clemson”
Which doesn't change my point one bit. Clemson and FSU have the resources to make and win the BCS and even 4 team playoff where they sit. Why would it get any more complicated with 12 teams? How would that change for the better in any other conference? As far as money is concerned, how is the B12 the long-term answer? Would you be willing to pay the hellish high price of getting out of the ACC Grant of Rights to go to the B12?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:13 am to bamameister
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Which doesn't change my point one bit. Clemson and FSU have the resources to make and win the BCS and even 4 team playoff where they sit. Why would it get any more complicated with 12 teams? How would that change for the better in any other conference? As far as money is concerned, how is the B12 the long-term answer? Would you be willing to pay the hellish high price of getting out of the ACC Grant of Rights to go to the B12?
I tend to agree with this. Maybe join the Big 12 for other sports and go independent in football until a spot in the SEC or Big 10 becomes available.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:16 am to DawginSC
Would be funny to see FSU be the first to leave the ACC (this decade) and watch other ACC schools like UNC, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Clemson get Big 10 and SEC invites first.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:22 am to bamameister
I agree the optics on joining the big 12 seem a little weird, original members who were vocal about uneven rev share with Tex and ou are all the sudden ok with paying Clem/fsu more? I don’t see it, I could see fsu and Clemson brokering a partial membership for big 12(yormark has openly talked about partial membership) fsu/clem park Olympic sport in big 12 agree to play 4-6 big 12 games each a year. Fsu Clem can get more money than they are making in acc by selling rights to non big 12 games, big 12 adds value to their tv deal. ESPN doesn’t lose Clem fsu to fox but instead bolster fox/espn jointly covered big 12.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:24 am to The Winner
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And WAY more disruptive
How so?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:26 am to PerrillouxToTexas
By demanding to be paid more money than other institutions in your conference
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:28 am to Henry Jones Jr
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By demanding to be paid more money than other institutions in your conference
Link?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:29 am to bamabaseballsec
I personally think they end up in the big as half share schools, big ten has a very lackluster line up compared to the sec and it’ll show during contract renegotiations. I think the big needs football brands and Clem fsu and nd are the only ones left. These same ppl saying no big for fsu/clem also ran these exact reports for Oregon and Washington.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:29 am to bamameister
I disagree and so does the leadership teams at both FSU and Clemson, they are doing everything they can to leverage their way out of the Grant of Rights agreement with the ACC at some reduced price.
You are right that they have an easier path to the playoffs now in the ACC. However, for the longer term it is a weaker football conference and they know they will get left behind by the SEC and B12 as they are structured now.
You are right that they have an easier path to the playoffs now in the ACC. However, for the longer term it is a weaker football conference and they know they will get left behind by the SEC and B12 as they are structured now.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:32 am to PerrillouxToTexas
The longhorn network past a lot of folks off, one of the reasons was the unequal revenue generated. 247 wrote a scathing article on it a few years back
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:34 am to bamabaseballsec
LHN was well within the bylaws of the Big 12 as voted on by all the programs who turned around and blamed Texas. It was sour grapes.
As if they'd refuse ESPN's bucket of cash and a network, had they been offered...
As if they'd refuse ESPN's bucket of cash and a network, had they been offered...
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:36 am to FlyDownTheField83
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You are right that they have an easier path to the playoffs now in the ACC. However, for the longer term it is a weaker football conference and they know they will get left behind by the SEC and B12 as they are structured now.
So you think it's about money.
The Big 12's current media rights deal is worth $2.3 billion, according to CBS Sports, and each team earns $31.7 million each from the agreement with Fox and ESPN.
The ACC media rights deal results in roughly $400 million of revenue annually, with each of the 15 member schools receiving between $35 and $38 million per season.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:37 am to PerrillouxToTexas
It doesn’t honestly bother me just remember that article blaming longhorn network when you guys announced big 12 departure. Right or wrong that’s where the info/misinformation is coming from. It’s the media putting it out there
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:41 am to CarolinaGamecock99
The only expansion that will happen is when Fox/ESPN no longer have to pay the big 12/ACC when they each get there 32-40 team side of the Super league.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:43 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Exactly. That’s a ridiculous quote if it came from anyone in the SEC
Texas is WAY more valuable than Florida State
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:52 am to bamameister
You are missing the bigger picture. It is about money, but not just the money you are noting in your reply. Those deals are all done, let’s think about the future beyond that.
No reasonable college football fan thinks that 10 to 20 years out that a Wake Forest versus Virginia football game will have anything but a miniscule TV audience. Other than FSU versus Clemson I would wager that there are NO ACC football games that have any realistic hope of being a marquee national TV audience game in 10 to 20 years. This means that ultimately this ACC football conference will die for lack of TV exposure which means lack of money. FSU knows that and so does Clemson and that is why they are trying to force their way out of the ACC.
No reasonable college football fan thinks that 10 to 20 years out that a Wake Forest versus Virginia football game will have anything but a miniscule TV audience. Other than FSU versus Clemson I would wager that there are NO ACC football games that have any realistic hope of being a marquee national TV audience game in 10 to 20 years. This means that ultimately this ACC football conference will die for lack of TV exposure which means lack of money. FSU knows that and so does Clemson and that is why they are trying to force their way out of the ACC.
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