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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:49 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:49 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
You are presuming that people are motivated after they are compensated and not before. If this were the case then the greatest bands would produce their best music after they are rich and not before. The greatest artist would produce their masterpieces when they are comfortable and not striving. The greatest athletes would show the most production after their big contract and not before.
The system we have in place is the greatest that their is because you have to factor in human nature and that changes everything. It is so very easy to look at someone who has more than you and say it is unfair. Any child can do that. It takes a grown arse woman or man to understand the system that is in place and see it for what it is. The best possible way for people to be who they want to be. It is all up to the individual. The only thing holding you back is yourself.
The system we have in place is the greatest that their is because you have to factor in human nature and that changes everything. It is so very easy to look at someone who has more than you and say it is unfair. Any child can do that. It takes a grown arse woman or man to understand the system that is in place and see it for what it is. The best possible way for people to be who they want to be. It is all up to the individual. The only thing holding you back is yourself.
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:04 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why would an independent league want to send its stars to the NFL?
Why would the NFL want to start a feeder league?
No one wins in any of this except high school players.
This is a great point. If an independent league popped up that allowed guys out of high school to play and that league was sustainable and successful, don't you think that league would do everything it could do to become bigger and better? Wouldn't that include trying to compete with the NFL to keep their prized pieces in their league? That's been tried before with the USFL before the NFL allowed juniors to enter the draft when that was the en vogue issue. That plan to compete with the NFL ultimately sunk the USFL.
The NFL starting a developmental league is equally unlikely. What financial incentive do they have for doing so? It would cost owners billions to subsidize a developmental league. They would never agree to it when they don't need it. They also aren't interested in investing tens to hundred of millions into 18 year old prospects out of high school. Think of all the recruiting busts we already have. Now imagine those guys getting 10+ million dollar signing bonuses out of high school.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:11 pm to lsufball19
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The NFL starting a developmental league is equally unlikely. What financial incentive do they have for doing so?
It would be a better deal for 95% (maybe higher) of prospects coming out of high school to goto college to get a degree anyway for the reasons I posted earlier. Why take a chance of losing your eligibility on a league that may or may not be around in 3 years when you can just goto college and have everything taken care of for you?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:13 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Do you really believe this, or, are you trying to "win the internet"?
Absolutely believe this. I've been die hard UGA my entire life. I could care less who the players are as long as we win. You put your scrubs against our scrubs and I'll watch it and be just as happy.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:13 pm to TigerLunatik
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It would be a better deal for 95% (maybe higher) of prospects coming out of high school to goto college to get a degree anyway for the reasons I posted earlier. Why take a chance of losing your eligibility on a league that may or may not be around in 3 years when you can just goto college and have everything taken care of for you?
Yep, agreed. A lot of this posturing is to help the small handful of players and ultimately would detriment the majority of student athletes, even in revenue sports like basketball and football, most of whom never collect an NFL or NBA paycheck.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:16 pm to FlatwoodsForester
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Absolutely believe this. I've been die hard UGA my entire life. I could care less who the players are as long as we win. You put your scrubs against our scrubs and I'll watch it and be just as happy.
yep.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:29 pm to meansonny
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You're a dumbass.
You are instituting minor league salary rules on a league that doesnt exist.
And if the league is a true feeder to the NFL, they arent favoring the 18 year old for a 25 year old because of cost savings. They are looking for the next Kurt Warner.
You could be right in some cases if the kid showed true potential by year three they wouldn't want the high school kid....but someone would....and he would still have college football as a path to the NFL....most of the kids who leave college in their junior year do not have HOF careers at the next level....a sizeable number can't even make a team....its the same league, very few people who actually have what it takes to make it do so.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:34 pm to Gtmodawg
I support kicking any kid off the team that pulls these types of stunts. I dont watch football to be educated by kids and oafs on political or morale issues.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:35 pm to lsufball19
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Yep, agreed. A lot of this posturing is to help the small handful of players and ultimately would detriment the majority of student athletes
A lot of people point out that these guys take easy classes and aren't that smart but simply having a degree puts you so much ahead of the rest of the workforce.
Especially when you aren't paying on student loans..
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
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A lot of people point out that these guys take easy classes and aren't that smart but simply having a degree puts you so much ahead of the rest of the workforce.
Especially when you aren't paying on student loans..
absolutely, most jobs that pay reasonable wages these days require an undergraduate degree, regardless of what the degree is in. And 100% on the student loans as well. Those can crush people, and them being non-dischargeable in bankruptcy makes it even worse.
I think the net result for a lot of these kids coming from poverty with bad influences will have dire consequences for a lot of players. College gives these guys the opportunity to get out of that cycle if they put forth the effort. The same can't be said for being good at football. You're either good enough to make a living playing football or you aren't.
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:46 pm to lsufball19
Not to mention all of the networking available to them.
Even your most average college football player doesnt end up making $40,000 a year.
Even your most average college football player doesnt end up making $40,000 a year.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:53 pm to Gtmodawg
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most of the kids who leave college in their junior year do not have HOF careers at the next level....a sizeable number can't even make a team....its the same league, very few people who actually have what it takes to make it do so.
You are hurting your own argument with this post.
There is an endless number of kids that were successful college players who get cut the first chance they have in the league.
99.9% of them are better than high school seniors stepping away from home for the first time.
You put a ton of time into these posts but cant see the forest from the trees.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:12 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
My lord, I rarely if ever post but man, you are really really dense.
What part of "the players aren't at the center of the insane revenues" do you not understand?
The Universities are at the center. I am a State fan. I will be a state fan regardless of if Dak Prescott reincarnate was going to be our QB or if the 5'10 160 pound Michael Henig was coming back to do it all over again. For those that don't remember Henig don't take the time to search, he struggled alot and almost left in a body bag in a couple of games.
Hell, for most of my life state has been irrelevant and I and many others still go to games every year.
I won't stop watching regardless of who is on the field and a large majority of college football fans are the same way.
I know tons of people that only watch college football and only follow their college team.
If your theory were correct everybody would be watching the NFL because it has the most premium talent and yet I might watch 1 NFL game a year while watching probably 30-40 college games a year.
Also, why is the average stadium size in the NFL around 65K and the average SEC stadium is 79K?
Also, more people watch college football on TV every year than they do NFL football. Again, that is strange being that you're telling me premium athletes drive viewership.
Strange I know... Point being most college football fans watch because they have a sentimental tie to the university. Going to games in the fall brings back college memories, you get to see old college friends, etc. It's much more about the universities and the experiences than it is going to watch premium athletes and that is just the truth.
Now, I probably won't post for another year, yall keep on ranting.
What part of "the players aren't at the center of the insane revenues" do you not understand?
The Universities are at the center. I am a State fan. I will be a state fan regardless of if Dak Prescott reincarnate was going to be our QB or if the 5'10 160 pound Michael Henig was coming back to do it all over again. For those that don't remember Henig don't take the time to search, he struggled alot and almost left in a body bag in a couple of games.
Hell, for most of my life state has been irrelevant and I and many others still go to games every year.
I won't stop watching regardless of who is on the field and a large majority of college football fans are the same way.
I know tons of people that only watch college football and only follow their college team.
If your theory were correct everybody would be watching the NFL because it has the most premium talent and yet I might watch 1 NFL game a year while watching probably 30-40 college games a year.
Also, why is the average stadium size in the NFL around 65K and the average SEC stadium is 79K?
Also, more people watch college football on TV every year than they do NFL football. Again, that is strange being that you're telling me premium athletes drive viewership.
Strange I know... Point being most college football fans watch because they have a sentimental tie to the university. Going to games in the fall brings back college memories, you get to see old college friends, etc. It's much more about the universities and the experiences than it is going to watch premium athletes and that is just the truth.
Now, I probably won't post for another year, yall keep on ranting.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:28 pm to meansonny
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You are hurting your own argument with this post.
There is an endless number of kids that were successful college players who get cut the first chance they have in the league.
99.9% of them are better than high school seniors stepping away from home for the first time.
You put a ton of time into these posts but cant see the forest from the trees.
Of course they are better than most high school kids...almost universally. The same thing happens to them whether they enter the NFL as they do now or some other route....the only thing that has changed is players in the PAC 12 have drawn a line in the sand which will have to be answered someday someway.
It takes surprisingly little time to write these posts by the way. It is just the meanderings of a random thought on my part....I haven't given any of them more than a passing consideration.
Ho would it be possible not to see the forest from the trees? Among the trees are atop the trees? I can see it from among them but unless its foggy if you were atop them you could definitely see the forest, unless of course you were atop the lowest one in the area and then you merely be among them at a different elevation yet not one that would allow you to view the forest. I think the saying is "can't see the forest for the trees" meaning among the trees or somehow otherwise the trees occluding the view of the forest...but if you were atop a tree that was as high or higher than the rest and it was daylight and not foggy I think you could see the forest....
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:31 pm to Gtmodawg
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takes surprisingly little time to write these posts by the way. It is just the meanderings of a random thought on my part....I haven't given any of them more than a passing consideration
Well, now we know why they appear to not be thought out.
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the only thing that has changed is players in the PAC 12 have drawn a line in the sand which will have to be answered someday someway.
How are those players doing, by the way? From what I have read, many of them are not participating with team activities.
It isnt rocket science to parse the difference between amateur competition and professional employment.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:39 pm to Gtmodawg
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the only thing that has changed is players in the PAC 12 have drawn a line in the sand which will have to be answered someday someway.
You seem to keep forgetting that they have absolutely no leverage.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:42 pm to meansonny
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How are those players doing, by the way? From what I have read, many of them are not participating with team activities.
It isnt rocket science to parse the difference between amateur competition and professional employment.
There is no doubt the PAC 12 players doing this now are not going to fare well but when has the initial attempt to make a fundamental change ever went smoothly? It will not be over with when they are put down, it will merely draw more attention to their agenda.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:52 pm to Gtmodawg
Correct just like unions, once they get started they will keep going until they take everything down. It's not the kids fault, it's the attorneys who egg them on so they can skim off the top. Sorry arse blood suckers.
Take it down now. Dismantle all the stadiums. I am over it. It was much better before all the tv money came into play anyway.
Take it down now. Dismantle all the stadiums. I am over it. It was much better before all the tv money came into play anyway.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
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the only thing that has changed is players in the PAC 12 have drawn a line in the sand which will have to be answered someday someway.
You seem to keep forgetting that they have absolutely no leverage.
Impacting a multi billion $ a year industry is no leverage? NCAA Claims total revenue for all sports in 2018 was nearly $11 billion....and football accounted for more of that $11 billion that the next combined 35 sports programs. Slowing that down is leverage by any definition.
Impacting entities worth billions of dollars is not leverage???? They gonna get paid no matter how badly we like it....they finance the AD and the AD brings in huge donations for things like Laboratories and Libraries....there will be a tremendous amount of pressure brought to bear to satisfy the demands that can be settled...that is the epitome of leverage.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:56 pm to Gtmodawg
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Impacting a multi billion $ a year industry is no leverage?
Do you believe that they will actually sit out if the demands are not met? If they do sit out, where will they go? They gonna go home and workout until the draft?
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