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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:02 pm to bigDgator
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:02 pm to bigDgator
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So you went from, "It's a good thing they didn't try that now!"
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To the old, "I don't know why these crazy kids choose to work for free".
This motherfricker is a constant contradiction.
Didn't Bama patent the injury tent or something? Are the Bama players that used that as an experiment looking for royalties?
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:03 pm to SidewalkTiger
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And even if some minor league actually formed, you'd still have guys like Aaron Murray holding roster spots.
Very few 18 year olds can beat someone like that out.
That's exactly the point.
Even most 18 year old 5 star phenoms are not going to be better than 25 year olds with 7 years of the best college and professional assistance (diet, strength, technique, and experience)
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:07 pm to meansonny
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You're living in your head on this one.
Way too much thought on something that will never pan out the way you imagine.
What gets more ratings?
XFL or college football?
Who has the better talent?
College football and it ain't close but that is because currently college football players are content to subsidize the AD at their expense...that is changing and changing rapidly.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:07 pm to meansonny
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That's exactly the point.
Even most 18 year old 5 star phenoms are not going to be better than 25 year olds with 7 years of the best college and professional assistance (diet, strength, technique, and experience)
Right, if the NFL had a subsidized minor league system like baseball has, NFL teams would use that as a supplement to their practice squad and have veteran players ready to play as needed. The young kids needing massive development to be ready for the NFL would get paid extremely limited wages just like minor league baseball players do. If a practice squad salary is $8000/week for 17 weeks, then what exactly do people think wages would be for someone not good enough to be on a practice squad? This will also come down to the NFLPA's collective bargaining agreement, which would not be kind to players in a minor league system.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:09 pm to meansonny
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That's exactly the point.
Even most 18 year old 5 star phenoms are not going to be better than 25 year olds with 7 years of the best college and professional assistance (diet, strength, technique, and experience)
So you'd have a few of the very elite skip college and overall, college football would hold pat.
This is why the players have no leverage.
This is all assuming a league would even be formed which seems very unlikely because of the financial burden to an independent investor and it doesn't really benefit the NFL at all so no reason for them to do it.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:09 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You dont even understand what's being said.
Kids wont forego college without an alternative path.
There wont be an alternative path if kids don't forego college to force the NFL into drafting shitty talent for a few seasons.
Do you not get this?
Labor does not have to strike to obtain their goals....in fact that is a last ditch effort to do so and one that is not very effective. Instead lawyers will take up their cause for a price and they will prevail....it is simple economics, without an artificial barrier in place the market will settle it and the market is on the side of the players, not the women's equestrian team.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:10 pm to Gtmodawg
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College football and it ain't close but that is because currently college football players are content to subsidize the AD at their expense...that is changing and changing rapidly
You keep acting as if they have some other option.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:11 pm to lsufball19
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The young kids needing massive development to be ready for the NFL would get paid extremely limited wages just like minor league baseball players do.
And then on top of that would have ro pay for housing, utilities, food, health care, pay taxes, etc on top of not getting any kind of education for after their most likely short stint in a professional style system. Then, even on top of that, they would have to goto school after they're career and pay for school or get student loans.
Eta:most health care would be included in the pro league I would imagine.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:11 pm to Gtmodawg
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Labor does not have to strike to obtain their goals....in fact that is a last ditch effort to do so and one that is not very effective. Instead lawyers will take up their cause for a price and they will prevail....it is simple economics, without an artificial barrier in place the market will settle it and the market is on the side of the players, not the women's equestrian team.
Jesus.
Go look up Title IX.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:16 pm to lsufball19
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Right, if the NFL had a subsidized minor league system like baseball has, NFL teams would use that as a supplement to their practice squad and have veteran players ready to play as needed. The young kids needing massive development to be ready for the NFL would get paid extremely limited wages just like minor league baseball players do. If a practice squad salary is $8000/week for 17 weeks, then what exactly do people think wages would be for someone not good enough to be on a practice squad? This will also come down to the NFLPA's collective bargaining agreement, which would not be kind to players in a minor league system.
No labor agreement which has an apprenticeship element to it is kind to the apprentice...ask any building trades member...they'll tell you.
As far as a high school kid beating out a 3 year starter who hasn't moved onto the NFL the NFL has a fix for this already in salary minimums...thats why 3rd string quarterbacks only play 3 seasons....in their 4th their salary minimum makes it much more digestible to roll the dice on a rookie instead of the 3 year veteran.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:20 pm to meansonny
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And even if some minor league actually formed, you'd still have guys like Aaron Murray holding roster spots.
Very few 18 year olds can beat someone like that out.
That's exactly the point.
Even most 18 year old 5 star phenoms are not going to be better than 25 year olds with 7 years of the best college and professional assistance (diet, strength, technique, and experience)
The incoming high school kid won't have to beat out the Aaron Murrays...the Aaron Murrays minimum salary will send the packing, as it does in the NFL today....basic economics. If an Aaron Murray ain't developed enough to be a third string NFL QB after 3 years of NFL caliber conditioning and coaching he ain't going to be in 7 years most likely, but if the team sees a chance they may pay double the freshman, as it were, salary minimum but most times they will have moved onto the next pretty thing in high school....
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:21 pm to Gtmodawg
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As far as a high school kid beating out a 3 year starter who hasn't moved onto the NFL the NFL has a fix for this already in salary minimums...thats why 3rd string quarterbacks only play 3 seasons....in their 4th their salary minimum makes it much more digestible to roll the dice on a rookie instead of the 3 year veteran.
An independent league would rather an established name than an unknown high school kid.
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If an Aaron Murray ain't developed enough to be a third string NFL QB after 3 years of NFL caliber conditioning and coaching he ain't going to be in 7 years most likely,
An independent league would rather their stars dont move on to the NFL
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:25 pm to lsufball19
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Because we're all racist white supremacists. That's the answer you're looking for right?
No
I just wonder why one adult is so passionate to see another adult ,albeit younger, not get compensated fairly based on what they produce
Why hide behind "that's the system"?
Instead of saying, "let's find a better system"?
I wonder why?
I ask that question to find out about a person's psychological makeup rather than to accuse them of being racist
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:28 pm to Gtmodawg
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What gets more ratings?
XFL or college football?
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College football and it ain't close but that is because currently college football players are college football players
I fixed it for you.
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..that is changing and changing rapidly.
No evidence suggests that you are living in your own head like I suggested.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:30 pm to Gtmodawg
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incoming high school kid won't have to beat out the Aaron Murrays...the Aaron Murrays minimum salary will send the packing, as it does in the NFL today....basic economics. If an Aaron Murray ain't developed enough to be a third string NFL QB after 3 years of NFL caliber conditioning and coaching he ain't going to be in 7 years most likely, but if the team sees a chance they may pay double the freshman, as it were, salary minimum but most times they will have moved onto the next pretty thing in high school....
You're a dumbass.
You are instituting minor league salary rules on a league that doesnt exist.
And if the league is a true feeder to the NFL, they arent favoring the 18 year old for a 25 year old because of cost savings. They are looking for the next Kurt Warner.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:31 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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I just wonder why one adult is so passionate to see another adult ,albeit younger, not get compensated fairly based on what they produce
Why hide behind "that's the system"?
Instead of saying, "let's find a better system"?
Because most of us see the current system as fine.
Colleges use football as fundraiser and thats fine with me, football players dont do anymore personally to produce that money than anyone else.
They just happen to play a more popular sport and if they dont like it, no one is forcing them to do it.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:32 pm to meansonny
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And if the league is a true feeder to the NFL, they arent favoring the 18 year old for a 25 year old because of cost savings. They are looking for the next Kurt Warner.
Why would an independent league want to send its stars to the NFL?
Why would the NFL want to start a feeder league?
No one wins in any of this except high school players.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:35 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So you'd have a few of the very elite skip college and overall, college football would hold pat.
This is why the players have no leverage.
This is all assuming a league would even be formed which seems very unlikely because of the financial burden to an independent investor and it doesn't really benefit the NFL at all so no reason for them to do it.
Agreed.
The only position tenable for that jump would be RB.
There is too much technique and physical development every where else to compete against grown arse men.
RB are used up like relief pitching. They are blunt objects to be abused and used up with no foresight into longevity and establishing a career body of work.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:38 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why would an independent league want to send its stars to the NFL?
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one wins in any of this except high school players
I'd argue that high schoolers dont benefit from an independent league as the better talent will be 25-30 years old. If the object is to win games and championships, 18 and 19 year olds arent playing
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:45 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So they werent competitive anymore
Only among their piers who did the same.
It ain't a heard formula to figure out.
You de-emphacize the sport and talent and competivness takes a dive.
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I never said anything about frat ball.
Okay but you did say the uniform and school loyalty was more important to the fans than who was in it, correct?
I think they're all important in making P5 CFB the sport it is today.
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