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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:37 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:37 am to SidewalkTiger
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Nice melt, I never said they deserved full scholarships though, I just said they work as hard as any other athlete without many of the benefits.
Somewhere on the Planet there's a guy with a beverage a company that makes really good beverages, and his beverages are high quality and satisfying to some, but that guy's company doesn't make the Money that Coke or Pepsi earn, hard work means nothing (other than personal satisfaction) unless another entity purchases it in the free market
In the fricking adult World hard work has to align with the Public's desire to purchase, in K-12 hard work might mean something, but in the grown-up World hard work has to go the EXTRA STEP of enticing the Consumer to open their wallets
P5 FB & MBB Athletes have achieved this extra step of getting the TV Execs to open their wallets, while the swimmers have not, based on this give the Revenue Athletes their hard earned larger stipends
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:41 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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In the fricking adult World hard work has to align with the Public's desire to purchase, in K-12 hard work might mean something, but in the grown-up World hard work has to go the EXTRA STEP of enticing the Consumer to open their wallets
I agree.
You were the one talking about how hard they work though.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:48 am to SidewalkTiger
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If there were a minor league, it would have plenty of guys who arent eligible to play college anymore but not quite NFL caliber.
The league wouldnt be entirely composed of kids who went straight there from high school unless it was regulated as so, in that case you'd be basically replacing college football and then I'd agree with your comment.
There's no reason for the NFL to do that though and its hard for an independent league to stay viable thru the first few start up years.
Baseball's minor leagues take a lot more high school kids than a football version would and the product of college baseball doesn't suffer.
The only reason the NFL would ever change their current minor league system, CFB, would be because players refuse to play CFB for free....that is coming and coming soon. The first step will be to pay the players the same amount of money without regard to performance...that won't satisfy demands long but it will stave off the inevitable...but at some point the demand to be paid for their labor will reach a tipping point that will not allow CFB to satisfy that demand given the requirement that CFB pays for the entire AD budget. The cat has been loosed....a kid with a high probability of someday playing the NFL is not going to be satisfied with a scholarship much longer....there is just too much money in it....and labor will only stand for taking a cold tater and waiting so long...sooner or later labor is gonna eat and that day is coming for CFB unless some drastic changes are made. The money is there, the demand is there, the market is there and the labor is there...its an inevitable function of a free market that those factors will eventually reach some sort of equilibrium without some sort of artificial interference.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:50 am to SidewalkTiger
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Even if the top 200 players in the country went on strike or to a minor league, the current powers would still be the powers
Being a power relative to everyone else's crappy lesser Players won't be enough to make the TV Execs to continue to stroke the big checks that has created the CFB P5 Athletic Industrial Complex that we have now
You and your toadies here on the rant saying that you'll support your Team no matter what Talent is wearing the Uni isn't the same philosophy as the TV Execs that have the power to stroke multi billion dollar checks
Those that stroke the big checks that have created the Sport we all love, disagree with you 100%
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:54 am to Gtmodawg
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The only reason the NFL would ever change their current minor league system, CFB, would be because players refuse to play CFB for free....that is coming and coming soon. The first step will be to pay the players the same amount of money without regard to performance
..that won't satisfy demands long but it will stave off the inevitable.
I think equal Stipends for all scholly players will work as long as the NIL isn't overly restrictive allowing the Zion level players to separate themselves from their less famous teammates with free market endorsement money
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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You feel this way because you have never experienced the alternative, MLB has always had their own Minor League System, think of the alternative Universe, where 100% of the Top HS Players were funneled into the College System and had to stay 3 yrs, imagine how much better and exciting College Baseball would be
you are genuinely an idiot, how's it feel to be wrong about every single phucking thing?
MLB just cut the number of draft rounds from 40 to 5! the number of drafted players from 1200 to 160 you phucking imbecile. they're doing this because minor league baseball loses money hand over fist and 91% of all minor league will never play in the bigs. the MLB is moving to the football model relying more on the college ranks for it's talent pool.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:02 am to walley tux
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MLB just cut the number of draft rounds from 40 to 5! the number of drafted players from 1200 to 160 you phucking imbecile. they're doing this because minor league baseball loses money hand over fist and 91% of all minor league will never play in the bigs. the MLB is moving to the football model relying more on the college ranks for it's talent pool.
That is something permanent? I thought that was just because of Covid
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:06 am to Gtmodawg
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The only reason the NFL would ever change their current minor league system, CFB, would be because players refuse to play CFB for free....that is coming and coming soon.
So what are they gonna do?
Switch to another sport? Get a regular job?
A new league wont be instantaneous and some will slip thru the cracks.
You think a kid with the chances to make millions will give that all up so future college players can get payed or have the decision to play in a minor league?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:09 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Being a power relative to everyone else's crappy lesser Players won't be enough to make the TV Execs to continue to stroke the big checks that has created the CFB P5 Athletic Industrial Complex that we have now
So what will ESPN show on Saturdays?
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You and your toadies here on the rant saying that you'll support your Team no matter what Talent is wearing the Uni isn't the same philosophy as the TV Execs that have the power to stroke multi billion dollar checks
That was in response to you saying crowds would go down to 30k despite shitty arse Arkansas averaging 60k in a year where they got blown out by Western Kentucky.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:11 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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I think equal Stipends for all scholly players will work as long as the NIL isn't overly restrictive allowing the Zion level players to separate themselves from their less famous teammates with free market endorsement money
That isnt what they want though.
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Because unjust rules prevent the 98% of college football and basketball players who won’t go pro from capitalizing economically on what would otherwise be the most valuable years of our lives, including many Black players from low-income homes, #WeAreUnited.
Getting some additional stiped money isn't what they want, they also dont want to get rid of the non profitable sports.
Most of what they want is simply unattainable.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:11 am to SidewalkTiger
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I agree, if we were starting at ground zero but we arent.
Minor league baseball has been around since 1901, thus college baseball never really got off the ground in much of the country.
Also, you're forgetting that an 18 year old can go play minor league baseball against 28 year olds and be competitive, very few 18 year olds will be able to play minor league football against 28 year olds and be competitive.
Also, why would the NFL even pay for all of this?
Two things...first, the NFL won't pay for it until CFB reaches a tipping point where labor demands it be paid what it is worth, individually, not what it is worth split up among 80 team mates and an entire AD that is not financially viable without the subsidy provided by the labor of college football players. That tipping point is not far down the road.
The second thing is that College Baseball enjoys a shoulder season because of school days and there ain't any baseball competition...and the weather breaks at just the right time in most of CBB towns so people who have been trapped in a basketball arena can get outside and watch sports. Couple this with the fact that CBB is not financially viable without point #1 and CBB is also going to undergo some major changes in the not so distant future.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:16 am to SidewalkTiger
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despite shitty arse Arkansas averaging 60k in a year where they got blown out by Western Kentucky.
This is definitely paid attendance just to be clear
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:22 am to SidewalkTiger
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A talent drop across the board doesn't cause what you're describing happened to the Ivy League.
Again, there will always be players.
The entire premise is that PeeJay says people wouldn't watch Tulane's level players at LSU but if that were to happen, Tulane would be playing JUCO players, they wouldnt keep the same level of talent.
What you're describing is the phenomenon of the big budget Hollywood movie, like a Marvel Movie, with the best Stars, best Sets, best stunts, best script & storylines, best special FX vs the Straight to Wal-Mart Blu-Ray movies that end up in the $5 dollar bin
Right now with the best HS Talent each year, P5 CFB is akin to a Marvel Movie, and based on the insane Revenue they generate P5 CFB & MBB is the Athl Dept version of a Marvel Movie, and the players want stipends accordingly since they are the ones at the center of those insane Revenues
Not paying the Players opens up a crack for some sort of alternative path to the NFL that will pay the Players something, maybe enough to attract them to that alternative path
Once that happens, P5 Athl Depts will be left with a Wal-Mart Blu-Ray Ray discount $5 Bin level product and they will still have to service the massive debts they gave racked up building Facilities
In summary, saying that there will always be Players , doesn't mean that the TV Execs are gonna stroke those huge checks that helps fund everything, lesser Players, lesser TV Money, lesser Fans, non Grad Fans are not gonna rearrange their weekend and travel 2 hrs from another part of the State to see lesser Players
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:24 am to walley tux
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MLB just cut the number of draft rounds from 40 to 5! the number of drafted players from 1200 to 160 you phucking imbecile. they're doing this because minor league baseball loses money hand over fist and 91% of all minor league will never play in the bigs. the MLB is moving to the football model relying more on the college ranks for it's talent pool.
College Baseball also loses money hand over fist...most programs are supported by the football program. That support is going to disappear as football players demand more and more of the revenue they generate. CBB will supplant minor league baseball for a while but in the not so distant future there will be a host of baseball leagues around the nation unaffiliated with MLB or CBB where potential players are developed and make it to the show. There is no doubt that the current MLB farm system is a relic doomed to the ash pile of history....there are too many teams in too many markets that just aren't viable and way too many players drafted who are marginal prospects because those teams have to have players...those same numbers will merely play in the new unaffiliated baseball leagues.
CFB players are not going to be satisified much longer working as hard as they do only to see the revenue they generate go to women's equestrian teams. At some point they will be paid what their talent and performance warrants unless some artificial barrier exists that prevents it happening....that barrier exists today but it is under the microscope...and the glaring inequalities it represents is not sustainable in a free market where capital and labor already exists and has a proven market as big as that of CFB. The money is there, the demand is there, the labor is there and the market exists...it is only a matter of time.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:28 am to Gtmodawg
PJ channeling an inner Brie Larson?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:36 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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I think equal Stipends for all scholly players will work as long as the NIL isn't overly restrictive allowing the Zion level players to separate themselves from their less famous teammates with free market endorsement money
That will stave the inevitable off for some period of time but at some point the less known players are going to whine and the stars are going to whine and the cohesive team nature of football is going to collapse and the product will be shite....at that point the market is ready for a take over and the NFL has the money and the leverage to do so almost seamlessly.
We have seen this on a small scale during bowl season since the playoffs started....players choosing to sit out bowl games because they don't want to risk their stock in the draft. We are going to start seeing this during the regular season when rent a win teams are scheduled.
The whole making money on your likeness thing is the nail in the coffin. It is going to lead to attorneys getting a piece of the pie....when that happens CFB is doomed...when College players have legal representation, and I think they should have because they have a valuable commodity and are generally unfit to protect that commodity as anyone without training and expertise in doing so would be, CFB is doomed. This is only a few years away....Nike ain't going to deal with Mama and Daddy long....because Mama and Daddy are basing decisions on emotion and unfounded expectations....Nike is going to insist on dealing with a trained professional wise in the ways of the world who makes decisions based on sound financial data and realistic expectations and market knowledge. CFB is a HUGE business currently being managed by people with NO qualifications to manage such an enterprise and their only ability to do so successfully lies in the fact that they have an unpaid workforce of very talented individuals who have come to the realization that their talent is worth more than a college scholarship. The system is unustainable without artificial barriers in place and lawyers get paid to tear down those kinds of barriers....
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:44 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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In summary, saying that there will always be Players , doesn't mean that the TV Execs are gonna stroke those huge checks that helps fund everything, lesser Players, lesser TV Money, lesser Fans, non Grad Fans are not gonna rearrange their weekend and travel 2 hrs from another part of the State to see lesser Players
College football attendance is already down....folks ain't making that 2 hour drive in the same numbers they once did...just too many other things to spend the money on.
ESPN does not currently care if UGA takes their annual check and pays for the Men's diving team...but when UGA football is comprised of athletes who are currently starting at West Georgia and there is a NFL Minor League Team in, say, Macon, with a roster of what would be the greatest recruiting class ever assembled in the history of College Football, lead by a coach who is being paid NFL bucks and spends his year coaching and not recruiting, ESPN is going to tell UGA that they had a nice run together but the pasture is greened in Macon than it is in Athens.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:45 am to Gtmodawg
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Two things...first, the NFL won't pay for it until CFB reaches a tipping point where labor demands it be paid what it is worth, individually, not what it is worth split up among 80 team mates and an entire AD that is not financially viable without the subsidy provided by the labor of college football players. That tipping point is not far down the road.
It would take several years of many top high school players opting out of college to cause the NFL to actually do anything about it then another year or so to actually set up the league.
Meanwhile, some of those former high school players would be missing out on a chance to make millions.
Very few are willing to take that risk.
Also, you're forgetting about a little federal problem known as Title IX.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:47 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Not paying the Players opens up a crack for some sort of alternative path to the NFL that will pay the Players something, maybe enough to attract them to that alternative path
I've pointed out the many issues that will keep that happening yet you seem to dismiss them so whatever.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:47 am to SidewalkTiger
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So what are they gonna do?
Switch to another sport? Get a regular job?
A new league wont be instantaneous and some will slip thru the cracks.
You think a kid with the chances to make millions will give that all up so future college players can get payed or have the decision to play in a minor league?
Absolutely kids would forego college if there was an alternative path to the NFL...in huge numbers. No, they won't do it to provide a path for others but they will do it for themselves and will do it in the not too distant future.
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