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re: Bold prediction on UGA
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:32 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:32 pm to DawginSC
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This is a really blind way to grade talent for the NFL
Just comparing him to his peers.
Tennessee spread the ball around, the per game average was generally in the 50s for guys that played.
UGAs number 2 WR had had 25 yards a game, the rest barely had snaps. This has already been done to death by the way.
McConkey has his strengths but is not ready to be more than a bit player (4-6th) in a rotation. On the field he looks like he’s running good routes, understands the what defenses are doing well, and has decent speed. But he’s noticeably inconsistent with his hands, doesn’t seem to be able handle press coverage well and can be moved off routes. He doesn’t mind throwing his body around but lacks the size to do it at the next level in my opinion.
Like I said hit the jugs to gain consistency and add 15 pounds of good weight. He’s a tweener a general purpose guy in a world of defined roles or niche spots.
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:39 pm to meansonny
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I see a possession receiver who runs off the defender at the sticks.
I see a possession receiver finding soft spots in zone and sitting there.
That's not a description of Ladd in my opinion.
I'd say he can do those things quite well and has done them. He can also hurt teams down the field.
He's also fearless at making catches across the middle of the defense (which I view as a slot/possession trait).
I view Ladd as a player who's attributes fit perfectly into a possession/slot role who has other abilities that can be used outside of that.
Same as guys like Jayden REed and Zay Flowers who went in the first couple of rounds of this past draft. I don't view "possession" WR as a title that means "not drafted high". Maybe back when Wes Welker was drafted, but certainly not in today's NFL.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:55 pm to Smokeyone
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Just comparing him to his peers.
Tennessee spread the ball around, the per game average was generally in the 50s for guys that played.
UGAs number 2 WR had had 25 yards a game, the rest barely had snaps. This has already been done to death by the way.
McConkey has his strengths but is not ready to be more than a bit player (4-6th) in a rotation. On the field he looks like he’s running good routes, understands the what defenses are doing well, and has decent speed. But he’s noticeably inconsistent with his hands, doesn’t seem to be able handle press coverage well and can be moved off routes. He doesn’t mind throwing his body around but lacks the size to do it at the next level in my opinion.
Like I said hit the jugs to gain consistency and add 15 pounds of good weight. He’s a tweener a general purpose guy in a world of defined roles or niche spots.
Lol.
He's a guy with the same size as Jalen Hyatt who can block, catch balls in traffic and take hits across the middle, return kicks and still run a sub 4.5 like Hyatt did.
The only thing you have when looking at him is "not enough yards"... which is stupid.
While I understand you only want to talk about WR's... UGA spreads the ball out to EVERYONE on offense.
Brock Bowers - 942 yards
Ladd McConkey - 762 yards
Kenny McIntosh - 505 yards
Darnell Washington - 454 yards
Marcus Rosemy Jacksaint - 337 yards
Kearis Jackson - 320 yards
Dominick Blaylock - 227 yards
Arian Smith - 198 yards
Dillon Bell - 180 yards
AD Mitchell - 134 yards
Daijuan Edwards - 101 yards.
Does UT spread the ball around? Sure. Not as much to RB and TE as UGA did last year, but they do spread it around. Could UGA have gotten McConkey 1000 yards by throwing it to him more and Bowers/Washington less? Yes. Would that have been smart? No. If UGA had decided to do that, would it have made McConkey a better player?
No.
And that's where you lose the script. The stats only matter as much as they reflect the reality of what the players do on the field. And you're ignoring reality for stats in this scenario.
Hyatt was UT's best option in the passing game. McConkey wasn't UGA's... Bowers was. Yet you seem to think Ladd should put up numbers equivalent to Hyatt to show his worth. That's frankly stupid.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:16 pm to DawginSC
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which I view as a slot/possession trait).
You are equating slot receiver to possession receiver.
That isn't necessarily the same thing in my opinion.
Not all slot receivers are possession receivers.
A possession receiver moves the sticks.
Shifty guys like Ladd get YAC.
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I'd say he can do those things quite well and has done them.
I agree. He can do the entire route tree at Y and Z. That includes finding soft spots in zone.
I don't recall him running off defenders at the sticks though. He's usually cutting those routes inside or outside.
A possession receiver will run the defender off at the sticks and then use his body to shield the defender for the catch.
Ladd creates separation at the top of the route, but continues that separation with a break in or break outward in order to maintain that separation.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 5:18 pm to Smokeyone
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somehow knows the high level analytics
It is a simple look at play by plays.
While that might be high level difficult to you, it’s really not.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 7:12 pm to Smokeyone
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to make UGAs O the reason they won a couple of titles.
This is just more of your hyperbolic BS.
The only person trying to claim UGA went back to back because of ONE side of the ball is you. The UGA fans here understand football much better than you do; for example, it takes a well rounded team to pull off a single title, much less back to back.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:47 pm to Smokeyone
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Never happened slick. Go read my statements about Monken (a journeyman WR coach that never stays anywhere more than 3-4 years. Doesn’t have an O system just runs what someone over him tells him). Bennett (short meh arm stats skewed by Etta games, was not pulled in the 3rd qrt like y’all pretend) UGA WRs(average at best non factors /stats bear this out/) Bennett and UGAs WRs wouldn’t see the field at 90% of D1 schools.
The amazing thing about Smokey is that you can actually tell he is intelligent/well-spoken.
He just can’t help himself when it comes to UGA football. He continually one-ups himself on the absurdity he posted the day before.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:00 pm to dhuck20
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The amazing thing about Smokey is that you can actually tell he is intelligent/well-spoken.
He just can’t help himself when it comes to UGA football. He continually one-ups himself on the absurdity he posted the day before.
Do you think he is a smart guy who just doesnt understand football? There have been some rudimentary things he doesnt seem capable of grasping.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 4:32 am to Smokeyone
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there is no reason to pretend they are something they are not.
Another example of you accusing others of what you are most guilty of.
I say that because you are trying to pretend UGA 21/22 is similar to those extremely one dimensional UT 05/08 squads.
Thats solid proof a stout D isnt gonna make an offense explode in production.
In other words, An O needs to be good to produce.
Your silly take is about as illogical is it gets in the FB world.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 7:18 am to Smokeyone
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somehow knows the high level analytics
It’s saying a lot about your intelligence that you consider simply removing FCS and garbage time to be high level analytics.
The vols numbers look far less impressive when those are accounted for, and just the opposite for uga.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 7:34 am to DawginSC
Why does everyone continue trying to talk to this guy (Smokey)? He's this board's version of Barney Fife from Andy Griffith. He likes to talk and act like he's some kind of expert but he's really just a goofball that likes to throw out meaningless stats to just instigate. He's just a bitter UT fan that is angry that UGA owns UT and has for the last 2 decades and he's gonna keep trying to throw out garbage stuff to try and convince everyone that UGA is not the juggernaut that we really ARE.
Even after we show up for our annual prison-raping of UT this fall, it's not going to change. Just wait and see, he'll have a whole new list of lame excuses and meaningless stuff. Maybe if we'd quit talking to him, he'd go away and take BBQRick with him.
Even after we show up for our annual prison-raping of UT this fall, it's not going to change. Just wait and see, he'll have a whole new list of lame excuses and meaningless stuff. Maybe if we'd quit talking to him, he'd go away and take BBQRick with him.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:14 am to Tuscaloosa
I bet you said Tennessee wouldn't beat Bama last year either.
How much more talented was Bama's roster last year? Anyone got the actual numbers?
We can definitely beat UGA at home this year considering they lose Stetson and Monken.
Imagine how good Tennessee will be under Heupel if/when we start pulling in annual top 3 classes.
How much more talented was Bama's roster last year? Anyone got the actual numbers?
We can definitely beat UGA at home this year considering they lose Stetson and Monken.
Imagine how good Tennessee will be under Heupel if/when we start pulling in annual top 3 classes.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:57 am to BBQRick
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Imagine how good Tennessee will be
Keep imagining that.
You don't have the offensive or defensive lines.
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We can definitely beat UGA at home this year considering they lose Stetson and Monken.
Tennessee has lost a lot to UGA in Kneeland even when Stetson and Monken weren't involved.
Your defense is trash.
Your offense can't block the same blitz 5 times over (i.e. gimmick offense).
Posted on 8/1/23 at 12:45 pm to BBQRick
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We can definitely beat UGA at home this year considering they lose Stetson and Monken.
Tell that to Smokeyone. he thinks they were cardboard cutouts. Monken ran what he was told from higher up (No mention who that might've been) and Bennett was just an average or maybe even a below average QB that was too short.
Now UT fans are saying we can't win because they are gone? I would've thought it would be addition bu subtraction. UT fans are giving me whiplash with all of their "great" takes.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 1:29 pm to BBQRick
To get to where UGA is, you have to catch up to us. But by the time you get where we are now, we will have gone on to a new level. Face it man, it's over. UT will never beat UGA again.
And you better start looking over your shoulder for that SC team that broke one off in UT last season and is itching to take the 2nd place slot in the East. They're smelling blood and ol Rattler is licking his chops for another chance to carve up the Volunqueer's D like a Thanksgiving dinner...again.
And you better start looking over your shoulder for that SC team that broke one off in UT last season and is itching to take the 2nd place slot in the East. They're smelling blood and ol Rattler is licking his chops for another chance to carve up the Volunqueer's D like a Thanksgiving dinner...again.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:50 pm to Smokeyone
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They really believe McConkey is a good WR. Reality is he’s a possession WR that should be the 4th or 5th guy in a rotation.
Is it your goal to say the dumbest things only to say something even worse?
SEC coaches voted him 2nd team all SEC. Looks like he had the 3rd most votes in all of the SEC.
Posted on 8/1/23 at 3:47 pm to Darindawg
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And you better start looking over your shoulder for that SC team that broke one off in UT last season and is itching to take the 2nd place slot in the East.
That face plant will never not be funny
Posted on 8/1/23 at 4:57 pm to Smokeyone
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was a top 5 QB in the nation in 2022
Heisman voters said he was
Posted on 8/1/23 at 6:41 pm to djsdawg
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Heisman voters said he was
He was there because Hooker was hurt and UGA was no1. Not based on anything he did.
Find something original, please
Posted on 8/1/23 at 6:43 pm to Smokeyone
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Hooker was hurt
Like... his feelings were hurt?
Hooker wasn't there because he played like crap in a couple of games.
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