re: Big Ten discussing start of college football season on week of Thanksgiving

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Covid is 3-4 times more deadly than the flu. You are correct it isn’t debatable

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Here is a link from the Cato Institue. Granted it si from March but it does a great explanation why, from a percentage standpoint, the per capita (meaning the number of deathes compared to the number of infectiosn) are overblown. While the article is from march, the science and theory behind it is still sound as the way people are infected and the way deaths and infection rates are counted has not changed.

Cato institute

Assuming the number of people who have reportedly died from COVID-19 is reasonably accurate, then the percentage of infected people who die from the disease (the death rate) must surely have been much lower than the 2–3% estimates commonly reported. That is because the number of infected people is much larger than the number tested and reported.

They’re not playing. The presidents make this call. This is a coaches meeting. It’s all for show.

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You do realize far more people have been tested for Covid than are ever tested for the flu and it’s not even close? You also realize there are mild cases of the seasonal flu that are never tested that aren’t tabulated into seasonal flu estimates? Even with asymptomatic estimates, Covid is 3-4 times more deadly than the flu. You are correct it isn’t debatable

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Here we go:

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ­esti­mated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90.
CDC Statistics on Covid

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Now....I will say covid will probably kill more people in the long run

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Probably? Hasn't that already happened?

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The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher than that of most strains of the flu.

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From John Hopkins Medicine

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If you want to count the short season of flu that we have come out of....I really don't know. And are you talking United States or world wide?

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From what I'm reading from it doesn't matter, both are higher for covid.

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and the numbers start to go WAY down when you narrow the focus to people 20 years old and under. (The common age for college football players)

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I don't disagree with that. I just saw your overall point about the deaths as a whole. Im sure that the flu probably is just as bad if not worst than covid for young people.

John Hopkins

Not sure when originally written but the part I linked was updated for today

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From what I'm reading from it doesn't matter, both are higher for covid.

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Well, it really does matter, because the flu season lasts from December until march, a 4 month period of time while Covid can spread 12 months out of the year.
Unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. Again, I am not arguing that infection rates are higher for the flu. I am arguing that death rates for Covid have been greatly exaggerated as evidenced by the CDC report.

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I don't disagree with that. I just saw your overall point about the deaths as a whole. Im sure that the flu probably is just as bad if not worst than covid for young people.

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I apologize. I was being way too vague. I was mainly arguing from the perspective of the college football season. I should have been more clear.

Thanks for the link. I was not trying to be a jerk. I just want to stay informed and reading articles such as the one you provided will give me more information and a wider base of knowledge.

I'll take a few minutes and read your article.

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Well, it really does matter, because the flu season lasts from December until march, a 4 month period of time while Covid can spread 12 months out of the year.

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I'm saying it doesn't matter if you are comparing worldwide numbers vs USA numbers, both will show higher than the flu.

In regards to the flu, the articles says this when talking bout the US

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In the U.S., from Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that 24,000 to 62,000 people died from the flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)

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Basically 6 months, we are right around that for covid and clearly have higher death numbers even if you include exaggerated numbers unless you think close to half the deaths are wrong

And yes I'm just looking at total deaths as a raw number so thats all I meant, sorry if you are talking about something else

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I was not trying to be a jerk. I just want to stay informed and reading articles such as the one you provided will give me more information and a wider base of knowledge.

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I didn't take it that way and feel the same way regarding info. I'm always ok with learning something new

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I'm saying it doesn't matter if you are comparing worldwide numbers vs USA numbers, both will show higher than the flu.

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Yeah. It hit me after I entered my comment. My apologies.

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the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)

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That is what makes this whole comparison stuff so difficult. It would be my guess that a ton of people get the flu and don't even go to the doctor. They go to bed and wait it out, which would actually strengthen your argument.

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Basically 6 months, we are right around that for covid and clearly have higher death numbers even if you include exaggerated numbers unless you think close to half the deaths are wrong

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Again from the CDC....flu season is considered October thru whenever, but the peak month is December and January, so most of the activity is only two months.
LINK It does say that activity can last as late as May, but typically two months is the peak period. Corona has no peak months, that we know about though, so activity has remaind strong for 6 months. (That we know of)


Personally i kind of wonder how many people might have gone to the doctor with flu like symptoms and was diagnosed by those symptoms to have the flu, when in fact they actually had Covid. (Which would alos help yoru argument)

Hey, I made a statement, and I should have been clearer. I just am not convinced that covid presents a big barrier to schools playing football or students going to school and classes. They are actually the safest people in the country. With their training and fitness level and dietary help, access to doctors and trainers......I'd rather be playing football than be my age. (I am older than dirt) I have a better chance of getting covid and dying from it than they do.

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When you consider that the flu generally has it's heyday over a period of 4 months,

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That might be true but the doctors chose to go with 6 months instead so I'm going to trust them for this study. But even if you did what you suggested and used the average for the flu death estimates, covid deaths would still be higher

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It is getting harder and harder to know what to believe and what to disregard.

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I don't think so, you just need to take the majority of the studies. You can also find some outlier studies that are not the majority. You can do that with masks and get some easy answers regarding them. The CDC did frick up their messaging regarding masks at the start which I won't deny was very bad.

I know, right?
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