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re: Bielema was a long term fix, not a short term fix spread offense coach
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:42 pm to Porky
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:42 pm to Porky
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Why did it take that long to convince themselves? BTW...I thought Kiffin was a bad hire as well.
I guess UT fans were hoping that Dooley would wind up being a surprise good hire, despite his resume.
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Damn...you look like Michael Jackson.
Damn...I was trying to look like Janet.
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:43 pm to nlatigerfan
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if he can recruit players for his system. Getting the players for Bielema's style of offence
So far: Collins, Kirkland, Skipper, Henry, Koehler (redshirting), all on a very short time to recruit last year. This coming class will be all CBB's, being recruiting to 'his' style of offense. It's looking pretty good so far, and if we can close on a few more we are in on strongly, it will be very good.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:45 pm to nlatigerfan
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Bielema will be OK in a few years when and if he can recruit players for his system. Getting the players for Bielema's style of offence is tougher than getting players that can run the spread. Arkansas is going to have to consistently get top 10 classes to make this work. Can they do it?
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Did you see how low ranked his recruiting classes were at Wisconsin?
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Bert has never had a losing season
2006 Wisconsin 12–1
2007 Wisconsin 9–4
2008 Wisconsin 7–6
2009 Wisconsin 10–3
2010 Wisconsin 11–2
2011 Wisconsin 11–3
2012 Wisconsin 8–5
bert was able to recruit and have success at a program with high school level facilities
there's no way he'll be able to do better at Arkansas who has top level facilities and is willing to pay his assistants what they deserve...
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:45 pm to WonderWartHawg
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So far: Collins, Kirkland, Skipper, Henry, Koehler (redshirting), all on a very short time to recruit last year. This coming class will be all CBB's, being recruiting to 'his' style of offense. It's looking pretty good so far, and if we can close on a few more we are in on strongly, it will be very good.
..Nah
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:50 pm to FreeWillie
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:50 pm to Foolish cock
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2Bs=8Ls
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:51 pm to hawgfaninc
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as long as Sumlin is running his spread offense they won't have a strong defense. but that's what they get for selling their soul for the quick fix...
I agree to a point. With a spread offence the defense stays on the field too much and gets worn down. With proper depth this can be offset some extent. A&M is in the right place to recruit that depth. This year their defense sucks donkey balls but I don't see that happening long term.
It's hard to compare defenses on spread teams to defenses on pro set teams by just looking at statistics because the defenses on spread teams have to play so many more plays. If A&M had Alabama's defense the defensive stats would look far different than that same defense playing at Alabama.
Different philosophies:
Spread -- score lots of points and have a good enough defense (and depth) to slow the other team down.
Pro set -- Ball control, keep defense off the field. Great defensive stats because players on defense stay fresh. Don't have to score as many points.
Both methods can work if implemented well and if you have recruited for your system.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:56 pm to FreeWillie
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So far: Collins, Kirkland, Skipper, Henry, Koehler (redshirting), all on a very short time to recruit last year. This coming class will be all CBB's, being recruiting to 'his' style of offense. It's looking pretty good so far, and if we can close on a few more we are in on strongly, it will be very good.
Arkansas is currently 26th in the nation in recruiting according to Rivals...
Problem with that is they're also 12th in the SEC...
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:57 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I have no idea what you mean by this.
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Freeze got guys who would start at other teams immediately. Why can't Bret?
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It wasn't as if that team was full of kids he recruited either... it was filled with bad players.
make up your mind- either you're crediting freeze for his first class (before he ever coached a down on the field at ole miss) or you're comparing this past recruiting class of freeze's (after he'd been there a year) to bb when he'd been at arkansas for 6 weeks.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 12:58 pm to Foolish cock
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2Bs=8Ls
actually funny.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:00 pm to piggilicious
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make up your mind- either you're crediting freeze for his first class (before he ever coached a down on the field at ole miss) or you're comparing this past recruiting class of freeze's (after he'd been there a year) to bb when he'd been at arkansas for 6 weeks.
I was more so crediting him for his top 5 class, after he coached for only one season?
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:03 pm to MrAUTigers
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This is kind of flawed logic, IMO. The thing is, Gus was in the SEC for three years. D coordinators have seen it before. Sure, there will be badly executed games. That happens with any style O, or D for that matter. The three years Gus was the OC, I saw three different O's. This year is the most run heavy O I have seen from him. He finds ways to best utilize the talent he has on the roster. He doesn't try to fit square pegs in round holes. That is what has impressed me most about Gus.
Gus does what he has to, and that's a huge point in his favor and reason for optimism for the future. He doesn't have the guns at QB that he's had at times in the past, so he adjusts, especially with the good run-blocking he has. I'd still point out that his history suggests he doesn't favor this style, however, and he will be recruiting differently from Chizik's last couple of years since he won't have to "make do" once he can bring in his own recruits. At that point, we're likely to see some consistency from him since coaches may adjust but they rarely just vary their systems from year to year without some external factors (new assistants, probation impacting quality of players, etc.)
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I was more so crediting him for his top 5 class, after he coached for only one season?
yet you compared him to bb who hasn't been here one full season.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:06 pm to piggilicious
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yet you compared him to bb who hasn't been here one full season.
Freeze won a bowl his first year. His team got rocked by the teasips early on, and steadily improved throughout the year and finished with a winning record.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
John L. sent us back a good 5 years
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Freeze won a bowl his first year. His team got rocked by the teasips early on, and steadily improved throughout the year and finished with a winning record.
is that the point you were trying to make originally or are you now just grasping at anything? you sure took the long way around to get there.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:08 pm to hawgfaninc
Wow, there are people who actually believe this nonsense.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:11 pm to hawgfaninc
The good thing about the spread is it allows you to plug in players and compete against more talented teams. Beating them with a scheme and a system.
Bielema's style of football isn't going to be able to compete with more talented teams. Which is going to be almost everyone else, because he isn't a recruiting wiz either.
Bielema's style of football isn't going to be able to compete with more talented teams. Which is going to be almost everyone else, because he isn't a recruiting wiz either.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:15 pm to FreeWillie
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Sumlin is better. I could see myself wanting to play for Sumlin. BB reminds me of a super fat soccer coach I had as a kid. That fatty would tell us to run and we would all point and laugh at him.
Exactly. Can you ever see Bret doing this?
Nothing but Dimes
More than that though, the dynamic of coaching has changed from what it was. A coach doesn't have 5 years to build a program anymore, they have about 2 to start showing major results. Otherwise the fan support and recruiting will fall away. Blame the culture if you like but the reality is that the best coaches turn things around fast.
For instance here is the answer to a trivia question: Mack Brown and Phil Fulmer.
The question? Who are the only 2 coaches to win a BCS Title that had not won their first one within the first 3 years of getting their job.
It's also ridiculous to look at a scheme as a "quick fix". Talent is the fix. Sumlin could run the Spread all day long but if he doesn't have guys with size, speed, and athleticism they aren't going to beat Bama or LSU, ever. It takes talent and coaching up that talent.
I just don't get how Bret is going to get the level of athletes he needs to run a power game in the SEC West successfully either. That kind of offense requires more talent than a Spread if anything because you HAVE to win in the trenches and you HAVE to have great RB's. That is going right at the strength of the great defenses of the SEC.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:16 pm to hawgfaninc
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as long as Sumlin is running his spread offense they won't have a strong defense. but that's what they get for selling their soul for the quick fix...
So much fail in this statement, Sherman left the cupboard bare. Why don't you go check out the recruits A&M has coming in this year and next on defense? Myles Garrett and Daylon Mack say hello
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