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re: Bielema was a long term fix, not a short term fix spread offense coach

Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:18 am to
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:18 am to
It's funny that the spread is seen as the quick fix offense that can't last. It has been around football about 20 years now and that tells me it's a fine offense and not some crutch.

I love how people act like its some new fangled thing that you have to see a few times to defend it properly. (You hear talk like, after Malazan is seen two times in the sec they will shut him down)

I venture to guess at this point every defensive coordinator in the NCAA knows exactly what has to be done to beat a spread team the problem is they don't have the players or depth to do it.

Look at Baylor, there scheme is not complicated. They usually one a variation or three to four pass routes and that's it. What they do however is perform it at speed and they execute. Just like Malzahns team executed versus A&m and Arkansas did not execute when they got blanked 52-0 by Bama.

My point is the spread is not some voodoo that nobody knows about. It successful and can be successful in the sec when the players execute it.

Bilema may be a long term hire but he won't have long term success unless he gets players to Arkansas. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter what scheme he runs if the players can't execute it. Time will tell if he can get them to.

Posted by See5
Member since Jul 2012
958 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:18 am to


Wow. I don't even know where to start so I won't. Just laughable.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:19 am to
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Neither has a Bret Bielema coached team.


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Bob Stoops

big game bob. quick success with one natty. been mediocre ever since. seems like a good example
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Florida went 10-2 in Meyer’s first season

right. after his initial success it was all down hill. not sustainable. another good example
Posted by Lycanblooded
Member since Jul 2013
117 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:20 am to
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doing you a lot of good i see. where's the rest of the defense?


Wow, can't believe you think he's talking about tackling. top 3tackles=Top 3 Offensive Tackles (OT). He not talking about top 3 tackling defense or top 3 tacklers on defense.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
49649 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:20 am to
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Bert is recruiting better than Petrino did.

yes. yes he is
Posted by parkjas2001
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:21 am to
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not sustainable.


When was the last time Urban Meyere lost a game?

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big game bob. quick success with one natty. been mediocre ever since


10 seasons, since his title, of 10 + wins is anything but mediocre
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37309 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:21 am to
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Defense talent is harder to come by, and takes a lot more time to develop.


but you're super powerful a&m, right? shouldn't be an issue yet ranked #118 out of 123 in total d. you should be concerned.

Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38475 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:21 am to
U R my broseph and your story was legitimately cool.

TL;DR
Posted by jdevers
Member since Nov 2008
2068 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:22 am to
To be fair, Cheezit tried to do it with all the HUNH talent he had put together with Malzahn at the helm. No surprise that the talent fits better this year. Truthfully, he was at more of A disadvantage on the offensive side of things as far as switching systems than Bert, but had more overall talent by far.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:22 am to
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been mediocre ever since
His mediocre is greater than anything Arky football has ever done over the same time period. Hell he went 12-2 and won a BCS Bowl game just a couple of years ago.

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right. after his initial success it was all down hill. not sustainable. another good example

You mean the coach currently riding a 19 or so game winning streak who went 13-1 with a sugar bowl win in his 5th year at UF whose worst season ever as a HC was an 8-5 season and a win in the Outback Bowl?
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 11:24 am
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37309 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:22 am to
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He not talking about top 3 tackling defense or top 3 tacklers on defense.


believe me, i didn't think he was.

Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17166 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:22 am to

Florida with Urban from 05-09

9-3 2005
13-1 2006
9-4 2007
13-1 2008
13-1 2009.

This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 11:24 am
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
49649 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:23 am to
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We should have given Chiz more time!

nah

chiz didn't have success at the head coaching level in an elite conference before going to auburn, like 2B's had. chiz was just a shitty hire from day one
Posted by Lycanblooded
Member since Jul 2013
117 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:24 am to
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When was the last time Urban Meyere lost a game?


Better question is when was the last time he had a losing season.
Posted by MThawg
south
Member since May 2011
4458 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:25 am to
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chiz was just a shitty hire from day one

yes man
Posted by See5
Member since Jul 2012
958 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:25 am to
So given the track record of a Meyer, Stoops, Malzahn, Chip Kelly, etc. etc. what makes people think that Bielema's system is better for the long term?
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17166 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:25 am to
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Better question is when was the last time he had a losing season


This is a really good question.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:26 am to
Dear god did you write this yourself?
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29286 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:26 am to
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but you're super powerful a&m, right? shouldn't be an issue yet ranked #118 out of 123 in total d. you should be concerned.


Correct. Look for our dominance against Arkansas to continue. I'm gonna say the Aggies win at least 8 of the next 10 against Arkansas.

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but you're super powerful a&m, right? shouldn't be an issue yet ranked #118 out of 123 in total d. you should be concerned.


Skewed stat when you have the greatest college football player scoring at will.

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but you're super powerful a&m, right? shouldn't be an issue yet ranked #118 out of 123 in total d. you should be concerned.


Meh. Sumlin keeps getting 5 star defensive recruits left and right. O. Excuse me. I forgot who I was talking to. You see a 5 star is a really good player, usually one of the best in the country coming out of high school. Sumlin keeps geting them to commit to us. I know this recruiting high level talent thing has been foreign to y'all because of Petrino and now Bielema, but you should research it. Highly ranked recruits correlate to success.

Posted by omrebelfan20
27-24 Corndog Blvd
Member since Sep 2012
4845 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:27 am to
This guys team isn't even competing in any of their games. If every score wasn't 65-0 I could see where the op is coming from but Arkansas couldn't beat the University of South Panola right now.
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