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Best PG groups in the SEC (trigger warning: basketball thread)
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:57 am
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:57 am
With the college basketball season about a month away, I thought it would be fun to write up and rank each position group as a countdown thing. I'll start with the most important position: PG.
Tier 1
1. LSU
Tremont Waters, Javonte Smart, Skylar Mays
Don't get big heads LSU fans, but there's no question that LSU has a deep stable of talented PGs. Smart and Mays will spend a lot of time off-the-ball with Waters handling the main duties, but all three could handle the position if needed. Waters is one of the most fun players to watch in the conference, and his mini-Steph antics will lead LSU to a pretty solid record this season.
2. Kentucky
Ashton Hagans, Quade Green, Immanuel Quickley
Normal Kentucky backcourt. Hagans is a lottery talent, and he was physically ready to play PG in the SEC two years ago. Green had his ups and downs last year as a freshman, and he'll probably be more of a small SG than a PG this year, but he can play PG when Hagans is out. Don't know how much to expect from Quickley.
3. Mississippi State
Lamar Peters, Nick Weatherspoon
Both Peters and Weatherspoon are pro talents, and this two-headed monster will have a good chance of leading State to their first tournament bid in awhile. Peters has had a rollercoaster of a career so far, but he came on late last season, and could be a superstar if he finds consistency. Weatherspoon is more of an undersized SG, and needs to get consistent with his shot, but he can handle the ball and create shots for himself and others like a pro.
4. Auburn
Jared Harper, Samir Doughty
Harper, a three-year starter, will be one of the most experienced lead guards in the conference. He can shoot, pass, and initiate the offense, and he's enough of a pest defensively that he's not a liability even with his size. Doughty is a VCU transfer who was pretty good as a freshman, although he has more experience off the ball. Not as deep as the top position groups, but Harper will probably play 35 minutes a game anyways.
5. Tennessee
Jordan Bone, Lamonte Turner
Tennessee has another very experienced backcourt, and Bone has been a solid presence in his time at UT. This Tennessee team is so balanced that you won't often see any position group put up huge numbers, but Turner can score with the best of them, and Bone has his days, although he's the steady, well-rounded one.
Tier 2
6. Texas A&M
TJ Starks, Admon Gilder
Starks was awful at times as a freshman last year, but he had games where he took over and showed off NBA-level creative ability. If he can get consistent and play with even an average bball IQ, A&M won't be nearly as bad as people are predicting. Gilder isn't a true PG but he has experience at the position and will likely handle back-up duties there in addition to his main SG duties.
7. Vanderbilt
Saben Lee, Darius Garland
Lee and Garland likely will both start in Vanderbilt's backcourt, and the two should complement each other well. Garland will be in the running for SEC freshman of the year, and he may be the most talented freshman scorer in the conference. Lee is a serviceable shooter, but he'll make his living getting into the paint and drawing fouls.
8. Florida
Andrew Nembhard, Mike Okauru
Nembhard is yet another 5* freshman PG, and he'll immediately be one of the more creative passers in the conference, and he also has ideal size to develop into a solid defender. He's a bit skinny and his shot needs work, but he'll show flashes of being a pro talent. Okauru surprised some last season as an underrated recruit. He's a scorer with feel and has potential to be a lockdown defender with great quickness and athleticism. His ball skills are underdeveloped for a PG, and he may play more off the ball, conceding creative opportunities to Nembhard and SG Kevaughn Allen.
Tier 3
9. Georgia
Turtle Jackson, Teshaun Hightower
Georgia's backcourt has size and athleticism but has been inconsistent handling the ball, leading to some late-game collapses the past few seasons. Jackson looks like an NBA PG but has never been consistent in any phase of the game. Hightower had some huge games late last season and will look to take over the main duties. Defensively this could be one of the better duos in the conference.
10. Alabama
Kira Lewis, Dazon Ingram, Avery Johnson, Jr.
Lewis is the youngest player in the conference and needs to eat a few hamburgers, but he's already Bama's most talented handler and creator. Ingram is a strong combo guard who can get to the rim and draw fouls or create for others, but he'll need to develop his shot to take the next step. Johnson, Jr. isn't athletically out of place on an SEC court, but besides having a nice layup/floater high off the board, he doesn't have the skills needed to be an SEC PG.
Tier 4
11. Ole Miss
Breein Tyree, DC Davis, Franco Miller, Jr.
Tyree is an extremely talented scorer. He's shown ability at all three levels and some exciting explosiveness around the basket. He's been fairly bad at distributing the ball, however, and there's not much depth behind him, with DC Davis a preferred walk-on JUCO who got some time late last year and Miller an unheralded freshman.
12. South Carolina
Hassani Gravett, Tre Campbell, TJ Moss
Gravett has experience starting in the SEC, and he's had his good games, but he's inconsistent putting the ball in the hoop, although he's a very competent defender and passer. Tre Campbell is a grad transfer from Georgetown who didn't make much of an impact in his time there, and TJ Moss is a typical Frank Martin diamond in the rough.
13. Missouri
Jordan Geist, Xavier Pinson
Geist isn't an awful player, and he's become somewhat of a villian in SEC basketball with his defense and gritty drives, but you don't want him as the lead creator in your offense. Pinson is an unheralded freshman. This position group may hold an otherwise talented team back.
14. Arkansas
Jalen Harris, Desi Sills
Harris is a New Mexico transfer who should step in and immediately be the main PG on this roster. He's not very explosive offensively on any level, though, and he'll almost always defer to Arkansas' other options. Sills is an unheralded freshman who will back Harris up.
Tier 1
1. LSU
Tremont Waters, Javonte Smart, Skylar Mays
Don't get big heads LSU fans, but there's no question that LSU has a deep stable of talented PGs. Smart and Mays will spend a lot of time off-the-ball with Waters handling the main duties, but all three could handle the position if needed. Waters is one of the most fun players to watch in the conference, and his mini-Steph antics will lead LSU to a pretty solid record this season.
2. Kentucky
Ashton Hagans, Quade Green, Immanuel Quickley
Normal Kentucky backcourt. Hagans is a lottery talent, and he was physically ready to play PG in the SEC two years ago. Green had his ups and downs last year as a freshman, and he'll probably be more of a small SG than a PG this year, but he can play PG when Hagans is out. Don't know how much to expect from Quickley.
3. Mississippi State
Lamar Peters, Nick Weatherspoon
Both Peters and Weatherspoon are pro talents, and this two-headed monster will have a good chance of leading State to their first tournament bid in awhile. Peters has had a rollercoaster of a career so far, but he came on late last season, and could be a superstar if he finds consistency. Weatherspoon is more of an undersized SG, and needs to get consistent with his shot, but he can handle the ball and create shots for himself and others like a pro.
4. Auburn
Jared Harper, Samir Doughty
Harper, a three-year starter, will be one of the most experienced lead guards in the conference. He can shoot, pass, and initiate the offense, and he's enough of a pest defensively that he's not a liability even with his size. Doughty is a VCU transfer who was pretty good as a freshman, although he has more experience off the ball. Not as deep as the top position groups, but Harper will probably play 35 minutes a game anyways.
5. Tennessee
Jordan Bone, Lamonte Turner
Tennessee has another very experienced backcourt, and Bone has been a solid presence in his time at UT. This Tennessee team is so balanced that you won't often see any position group put up huge numbers, but Turner can score with the best of them, and Bone has his days, although he's the steady, well-rounded one.
Tier 2
6. Texas A&M
TJ Starks, Admon Gilder
Starks was awful at times as a freshman last year, but he had games where he took over and showed off NBA-level creative ability. If he can get consistent and play with even an average bball IQ, A&M won't be nearly as bad as people are predicting. Gilder isn't a true PG but he has experience at the position and will likely handle back-up duties there in addition to his main SG duties.
7. Vanderbilt
Saben Lee, Darius Garland
Lee and Garland likely will both start in Vanderbilt's backcourt, and the two should complement each other well. Garland will be in the running for SEC freshman of the year, and he may be the most talented freshman scorer in the conference. Lee is a serviceable shooter, but he'll make his living getting into the paint and drawing fouls.
8. Florida
Andrew Nembhard, Mike Okauru
Nembhard is yet another 5* freshman PG, and he'll immediately be one of the more creative passers in the conference, and he also has ideal size to develop into a solid defender. He's a bit skinny and his shot needs work, but he'll show flashes of being a pro talent. Okauru surprised some last season as an underrated recruit. He's a scorer with feel and has potential to be a lockdown defender with great quickness and athleticism. His ball skills are underdeveloped for a PG, and he may play more off the ball, conceding creative opportunities to Nembhard and SG Kevaughn Allen.
Tier 3
9. Georgia
Turtle Jackson, Teshaun Hightower
Georgia's backcourt has size and athleticism but has been inconsistent handling the ball, leading to some late-game collapses the past few seasons. Jackson looks like an NBA PG but has never been consistent in any phase of the game. Hightower had some huge games late last season and will look to take over the main duties. Defensively this could be one of the better duos in the conference.
10. Alabama
Kira Lewis, Dazon Ingram, Avery Johnson, Jr.
Lewis is the youngest player in the conference and needs to eat a few hamburgers, but he's already Bama's most talented handler and creator. Ingram is a strong combo guard who can get to the rim and draw fouls or create for others, but he'll need to develop his shot to take the next step. Johnson, Jr. isn't athletically out of place on an SEC court, but besides having a nice layup/floater high off the board, he doesn't have the skills needed to be an SEC PG.
Tier 4
11. Ole Miss
Breein Tyree, DC Davis, Franco Miller, Jr.
Tyree is an extremely talented scorer. He's shown ability at all three levels and some exciting explosiveness around the basket. He's been fairly bad at distributing the ball, however, and there's not much depth behind him, with DC Davis a preferred walk-on JUCO who got some time late last year and Miller an unheralded freshman.
12. South Carolina
Hassani Gravett, Tre Campbell, TJ Moss
Gravett has experience starting in the SEC, and he's had his good games, but he's inconsistent putting the ball in the hoop, although he's a very competent defender and passer. Tre Campbell is a grad transfer from Georgetown who didn't make much of an impact in his time there, and TJ Moss is a typical Frank Martin diamond in the rough.
13. Missouri
Jordan Geist, Xavier Pinson
Geist isn't an awful player, and he's become somewhat of a villian in SEC basketball with his defense and gritty drives, but you don't want him as the lead creator in your offense. Pinson is an unheralded freshman. This position group may hold an otherwise talented team back.
14. Arkansas
Jalen Harris, Desi Sills
Harris is a New Mexico transfer who should step in and immediately be the main PG on this roster. He's not very explosive offensively on any level, though, and he'll almost always defer to Arkansas' other options. Sills is an unheralded freshman who will back Harris up.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:52 am to GatorsGators
Thank you for the trigger warning so I can move along past this thread after dropping this thanks.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:54 am to GatorsGators
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A&M won't be nearly as bad as people are predicting.
Incorrect. BK is more focused on figuring out why he cant use an Etch-A-Sketch than he is on coaching.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 5:11 am to GatorsGators
Kentucky stacked. Everyone else, fall in behind. As usual.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 7:20 am to Barbellthor
quote:
Thank you for the trigger warning so I can move along past this thread after dropping this thanks.
You don't care so much that you post in every single basketball thread both here and tRant.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:02 am to GatorsGators
I don't think Doughty will be playing PG, probably the 2.
Our backup PG will probably be JUCO transfer J'Von McCormick
Doughty is going to be a beast though, last year when he was sitting out people were saying then that he was better than Heron and the best scorer on the team.
Our backup PG will probably be JUCO transfer J'Von McCormick
Doughty is going to be a beast though, last year when he was sitting out people were saying then that he was better than Heron and the best scorer on the team.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:06 am to kywildcatfanone
Didn't yall have 8 conference losses last year? Also with a "stacked" team?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:20 am to BhamBlazeDog
2. Kentucky
Ashton Hagans, Quade Green, Immanuel Quickley
Hagans - Still has a lot of room to develop in the PG role, he progressed nicely through the summer, but he is a BEAST on defense already. He will be the most pesky guard in the conference on defense...offense, will see where the season leads.
Quade - TBD. He has improved as a guard, still needs work on his shot and some decision making.
Quickley - One of the probably 2 biggest surprises. Dude has great handles, great court vision, and is an awesome shooter.
Tyler Herro - More of a SG, but he is more than capable of running plays if needed. Kid is the best scorer on the team so far. Immensely shot efficient. His pull up jumper off a straight drive and crossover at 15 feet are disgusting. Money every time.
Ashton Hagans, Quade Green, Immanuel Quickley
Hagans - Still has a lot of room to develop in the PG role, he progressed nicely through the summer, but he is a BEAST on defense already. He will be the most pesky guard in the conference on defense...offense, will see where the season leads.
Quade - TBD. He has improved as a guard, still needs work on his shot and some decision making.
Quickley - One of the probably 2 biggest surprises. Dude has great handles, great court vision, and is an awesome shooter.
Tyler Herro - More of a SG, but he is more than capable of running plays if needed. Kid is the best scorer on the team so far. Immensely shot efficient. His pull up jumper off a straight drive and crossover at 15 feet are disgusting. Money every time.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:22 am to wildcats1337
Not sure you addressed the question.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:33 am to MoneyShot
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You don't care so much that you post in every single basketball thread both here and tRant.
I don't care about it. I'm indifferent. But it is mighty annoying, and that much is worth mentioning.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:31 am to Barbellthor
I think the list is very fair right now. I think it will change a decent bit as the year goes on with some surprises. Guards are key to the postseason and because of that I think the SEC gets at least 8 teams in the Big Dance.
Non-SEC guard situation to look at...
Duke. Duke is loaded at forward, but they don't have a true ball handler in pressure. Tre Jones has not be impressive in pressure. Be curious to see how much their offense withers against good ball pressure.
Non-SEC guard situation to look at...
Duke. Duke is loaded at forward, but they don't have a true ball handler in pressure. Tre Jones has not be impressive in pressure. Be curious to see how much their offense withers against good ball pressure.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:43 am to GatorsGators
The 3 SEC PG's that made The Bob Cousy preseason Awards list (Top Collegiate point guards in the country)
Jordan Bone -- Tennessee
Tremont Waters -- LSU
Jared Harper -- Auburn
Official list from NCAA March Madness Official Twitter page
Jordan Bone -- Tennessee
Tremont Waters -- LSU
Jared Harper -- Auburn
Official list from NCAA March Madness Official Twitter page
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:54 am to GatorsGators
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14. Arkansas
While a good chunk of the fan base likes Mike Anderson, who loves the U of A and is a very nice guy, there is a growing sense of fatigue with his coaching regime. I don't think he gets fired at the end of this year unless the season is an epic disaster but he needs to do something soon or the pressure is going to mount on the AD to get someone new in here.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:55 am to GatorsGators
I'm taking Jared Harper over anyone
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:24 am to GatorsGators
i realize you have them sorted in tiers but, you also have them numbered. i don't think it's unreasonable to move a&m below fla and vandy at that position, although that might be splitting hairs
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:34 am to bfniii
Tremont is a talent. Hell of a baller. Peters is awesome but like the write up said struggles consistently. We should be scary good this year. I think just about every team will be better this year as well for the most part.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:38 pm to GatorsGators
I would feel better if Tennessee had a grad transfer to back up Bone and let Turner play almost exclusively off the ball like last year. Not a big fan of Turner defensively at point. My guess is Bone is playing close to 35 minutes a game by the end of the season unless Bowden or Pons can successfully guard opposing point guards.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:01 am to AU_251
quote:I prefer Waters as far as undersized shooting PGs go
I'm taking Jared Harper over anyone
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:03 am to bfniii
quote:A&M has more experience at the position; UF and Vandy are both relying on freshmen, which gives them upside, but Starks has upside, too, and he's shown he can be dominant at this level when he's not being a dumbass on the court.
i realize you have them sorted in tiers but, you also have them numbered. i don't think it's unreasonable to move a&m below fla and vandy at that position, although that might be splitting hairs
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:16 am to GatorsGators
Starks is going to have the best numbers this year
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