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re: Bateman and Barnett on their reason for transferring from bama
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Oh, and as far as Barnett having a reputation of turning the ball over a lot during practices, all we heard for the 2 years he was here was that he was a very good QB and was the future but needed to add weight.
That's just not true and has been discussed ad nausea on our board so it isn't worth re-hashing. Every big live scrimmage they had for 2 years Barnett puked on his shoes. Kiffin desperately wanted Barnett to take the reigns his freshman year and then again last year and he never did it.
That absolutely is true. To claim otherwise is revisionist history for people with an agenda.
edit: I also see you fail to respond to Hurt's turnovers
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:18 am to 14&Counting
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I think you are taking this a little personally. Yeah he probably should have hung in there but I also get why he did it. He wanted to get to ASU and his new team, learn the playbook, and max out his eligibility. Saban made a business decision and so did Barnett. I wish the kid well and hope he finds success at ASU.
I'm really not. I just think logically, and don't understand when a person makes a decision that is clearly going to have some negative feedback then acts shocked and appalled when it happens. He made a decision that was totally in his court. No big deal. That's fine. But don't then come out and act like you were blindsided when people were disappointed in your decision. That's horseshite. Grow a pair, say that you hated leaving your teammates but you needed to so you could play immediately, you understand why people would be upset but it was a family decision and move on. Don't sit around naively acting surprised people at your previous spot were upset at your decision.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:19 am to sicboy
Both are struggling to can't win the starting job at their new schools...
Manny Wilkins is clearly ahead of Blake Barnett right now.
Whitt said Cooper Bateman is no longer receiving equal reps in camp. Battle for No. 1 continues with Williams and Huntley.
The secondary, quarterback and running back positions are also seeing separation according to Whittingham. Troy Williams and Tyler Huntley are getting the majority of the reps, while Cooper Bateman is not getting nearly as many as he was last week during camp.
Manny Wilkins is clearly ahead of Blake Barnett right now.
Whitt said Cooper Bateman is no longer receiving equal reps in camp. Battle for No. 1 continues with Williams and Huntley.
The secondary, quarterback and running back positions are also seeing separation according to Whittingham. Troy Williams and Tyler Huntley are getting the majority of the reps, while Cooper Bateman is not getting nearly as many as he was last week during camp.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:19 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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That absolutely is true. To claim otherwise is revisionist history for people with an agenda.
It's just not. I don't know where you keep coming up with this stuff. His 1st year he was on the verge of taking the job until the scrimmages and then last year they were all but begging him to until his threw what, 6 picks, 3 of which were returned for TDs or something like that?
BB was Kiffin's boy. Kiffin badly wanted him to be the guy.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:20 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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edit: I also see you fail to respond to Hurt's turnovers
What about them? Barnett could have possibly gotten another shot later in the year last year but he made a rash decision and left.
By that point, who were they going to replace Hurts with? Bateman? Montana?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
I keep "coming up with it" because on Alabama sports boards I read for the first 2 years that Barnett was going to be a very good qb but needed to gain weight.
You've bashed Barnett since he transferred so the previously noted "agenda" applies here.
You've bashed Barnett since he transferred so the previously noted "agenda" applies here.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
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edit: I also see you fail to respond to Hurt's turnovers
What about them?
What about them? It's hypocritical to claim Barnett turned the ball over too much in a practice when Hurts actually turned the ball over like 14 times in real live games.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Grow a pair, say that you hated leaving your teammates but you needed to so you could play immediately, you understand why people would be upset but it was a family decision and move on.
I believe he said all of that from the get go. The sniping started when Saban made a bitchy public comment about it which I also get. Barnett was the clear #2 and a mobile QB like Hurts has a good chance of getting injured so he wanted to Barnett to stay. Barnett however had an option to get to a good P5 team and basically pay this year. I am sure it was a difficult decision on his part.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:23 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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You've bashed Barnett since he transferred so the previously noted "agenda" applies here.
You are a weird dude. I wanted Barnett to start both his freshman and sophomore year, regardless of his high turnover scrimmages (which were reported on by every Alabama beat reporter and person sitting in the stands for the scrimmages, I'm not sure why you keep acting like this didn't exist). I spent all offseason last year hoping and praying Barnett was the guy.
But yea, I think the way he left and the way he talked about it afterwards was pretty childish and rash. Unlike others, I don't apply blanket thoughts about one action to everything else about an individual.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:23 am to Huddie Leadbetter
You don't know what you're talking about. Barnett always had negative around him when it comes to scrimmages.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:26 am to 14&Counting
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Barnett was the clear #2 and a mobile QB like Hurts has a good chance of getting injured so he wanted to Barnett to stay. Barnett however had an option to get to a good P5 team and basically pay this year. I am sure it was a difficult decision on his part.
And that's fine, but he also knowingly left his team during the season at a time where they could not go out and get a replacement and it put them in a bind. So, he got what he wanted, made a decision that was probably best for him, but probably not best for the team he committed to for the season.
All of that is fine - just don't act surprised when people don't think your decision was great.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:28 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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It's hypocritical to claim Barnett turned the ball over too much in a practice when Hurts actually turned the ball over like 14 times in real live games.
Barnett didn't take the job because he turned the ball over like crazy in scrimmages and there were other guys on the roster the coaches semi-trusted to play (Coker in 2015, Hurts in 2016). If the backups had been a walk-on and a non-SEC caliber QB then my guess is Barnett would have been the starter.
Hurts turned the ball over a bunch but had nobody behind him by that point who the coaches trusted (Cornwall was still injured/recovering, Barnett transferred). If Barnett had stuck around he might have been given a chance because he was a legitimate option. He chose not to.
Nobody is saying Hurts didn't turn the ball over. This seems pretty cut and dry. I don't quite understand how you can't see the point. There is nothing hypocritical about it all.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:34 am to sicboy
Methinks Nick The Prick protests a tad bit too much
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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What about them? Barnett could have possibly gotten another shot later in the year last year but he made a rash decision and left.
I think Barnett definitely would have had a role especially late in the season when Hurts was having trouble throwing the ball. He jumped the gun by quitting when he did. Hurts outplayed Barnett in the USC game but he was still a true freshman and he was sure to make mistakes that would have provided more opportunities.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
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If the backups had been a walk-on and a non-SEC caliber QB then my guess is Barnett would have been the starter.
It's interesting because you make a good point. Would Barnett have been better served staying in the program, working out, getting better, and working with Kiffin-Saban and then transfer? I would say by the time LSU rolled around people knew Hurts weaknesses and how to scheme against Bama. He struggled a lot towards the end of the season.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:36 am to Dizz
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Coaches break their commitments all the time.
When was the last time a coach broke his commitment to a school in the fourth week of the season? Almost to a man they wait until the end of the regular season to change jobs. Some even coach in the bowl game if their team goes to one.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:37 am to coachcrisp
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Saban has no problem with a kid transferring out of conference...not quitting in the middle of the season.
How about a Coach quitting on a player after the third series /
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:37 am to 14&Counting
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It's interesting because you make a good point. Would Barnett have been better served staying in the program, working out, getting better, and working with Kiffin-Saban and then transfer? I would say by the time LSU rolled around people knew Hurts weaknesses and how to scheme against Bama. He struggled a lot towards the end of the season.
Yea, I don't know if the Barnett bridge was burned, but I have to imagine if he'd worked his arse off and continued to practice well he would have been given some sort of role as Jalen started scuffling. And at that point, we'd be interesting 2017 figuring out who the QB is IMHO.
But he made a quick decision, decided to go to a school near home and the rest is history.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:38 am to Irons Puppet
Jalen won 14 of 15 games. The right decisions was made.
thread/closed
thread/closed
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:43 am to sicboy
Sounds a lot like these kids had no chest to compete.
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