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re: Auburn gave Gus $7.4 million for having the same record as O
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:06 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:06 am to BHMKyle
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Right now there appear to be three proven coaches in the SEC: Saban, Kirby, and Gus.
Pump the brakes, mutt. Kirby is in what, his 2nd year? He could be a disaster for Georgia. Not likely, but damn. One good year does not a proven HC make. Chizik anyone?
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:13 am to magildachunks
Gus beat two #1 teams back-to-back and won his division. His losses were to the #1 team on the road, the #3 team in the SECCG, and a road loss in a hostile environment.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:14 am to magildachunks
completely off subject but what's the best liquor you ever drank
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:15 am to BHMKyle
Smart as a proven coach has to be a joke . He has had one bad year and one good year where the conference wasn’t very good especially the the east . Smart’s record about the same as Muschamps in his first 2 years at UF .
Coach O is shite coach that non of the other teams in the conference would be want so that comparison to GuS is a joke too .
Coach O is shite coach that non of the other teams in the conference would be want so that comparison to GuS is a joke too .
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:22 am to thunderbird1100
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I posted the entire records of both at each school overall and SEC
Nothing to hide in the numbers
Are you hiding something in the numbers? Not exactly. But are you failing to point out some very important numbers. Yes.
Record vs. Top 25 teams (Final rankings used except for 2017 in which current rankings are used):
Coach O:
#2 2016 Alabama- Loss
#4 2017 Alabama- Loss
#7 2017 Auburn- Win
#14 2016 Florida- Loss
#24 2017 Miss. St.- Loss
Gus
#1 2017 Clemson- Loss
#1 2016 Clemson- Loss
#1 2015 Alabama- Loss
#1 2013 Florida St.- Loss
#2 2016 Alabama- Loss
#3 2017 Georgia- Win
#3 2017 Georgia- Loss
#4 2017 Alabama- Win
#4 2014 Alabama- Loss
#5 2016 Oklahoma- Loss
#5 2013 Missouri- Win
#7 2013 Alabama- Win
#9 2014 Georgia- Loss
#10 2015 Ole Miss- Loss
#11 2014 Miss. St.- Loss
#13 2016 LSU- Win
#14 2013 LSU- Loss
#16 2017 LSU- Loss
#16 2015 LSU- Loss
#17 2014 Ole Miss- Win
#18 2014 Kansas St.- Win
#18 2013 Texas A&M- Win
#24 2017 Miss. St.- Win
Record vs. Top 25 Opponents:
Coach O: 1-4 (20%)
Gus: 9-14 (39%)
Record vs. Top 5 Opponents:
Coach O: 0-2 (0%)
Gus: 3-8 (27%)
Record vs. Top 10 Opponents:
Coach O: 1-2 (33%)
Gus: 4-9 (31%)
Gus has obviously accomplished far more against a much tougher schedule. The main take-away from the stats above is that Gus has faced arguably the toughest schedule in all of college football during his five seasons.
If either Clemson, Georgia, or Alabama go on to win the National Championship this year, this will mark the 4th time in 5 seasons that Auburn played the eventual national champion. If Georgia wins the title, Auburn will have played 5 games against National Championship teams in just 5 seasons. Has that ever happened?
A whopping 35% of all games Gus has coached in at Auburn have been against Top 25 opponents. Only 25% of Coach O's opponents have been Top 25 teams.
So whatever minuscule difference there is in their overall winning percentages is easily explained by the fact that Gus has faced a far more difficult schedule overall.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:31 am to troyt37
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Pump the brakes, mutt. Kirby is in what, his 2nd year? He could be a disaster for Georgia. Not likely, but damn. One good year does not a proven HC make. Chizik anyone?
In just two seasons Kirby has an SEC Title and is in the college football playoff. The only coach to win an SEC Title in his first two seasons and NOT be considered an overall success is Gene Chizik. But there is nothing about this Georgia team that looks anything like Chizik's Championship team at Auburn.
1) In 2010, everyone knew Auburn won the Title because of a once-in-a-generation type of player: Cam Newton
Georgia has no such player that is as valuable or irreplaceable as Cam was to that Auburn team.
2) In 2010, a lot of the credit was rightfully given to Gus Malzahn as O-Coordinator at Auburn.
Georgia is more balanced that that Auburn team and no single coordinator seems to be irreplaceable were he to leave like Gus did after the 2011 season.
3) Chizik recruited fairly well at Auburn, but nothing like what Kirby is doing at Georgia.
I'll put it this way, Kirby is not going to have an 0-8 SEC record in his first four seasons at Georgia. I will bet big money on that.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:31 am to BHMKyle
The problem here is sample size. It's difficult to compare a HC with 5 years in a tough league to a HC with only one. Yes O coached last year, but it wasn't "his" team.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:33 am to momentoftruth87
Let's be real Gus got paid for beating Alabama.
When (or if) O beats Alabama he will get a nice raise as well I'm sure.
When (or if) O beats Alabama he will get a nice raise as well I'm sure.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:37 am to ibldprplgld
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It's difficult to compare a HC with 5 years in a tough league to a HC with only one.
You know he coached another team in the SEC, right?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:38 am to ibldprplgld
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The problem here is sample size. It's difficult to compare a HC with 5 years in a tough league to a HC with only one. Yes O coached last year, but it wasn't "his" team.
Very true. But the LSU poster who first started this comparison with Gus took advantage of the fact that Coach O didn't have to face Wisconsin and Auburn at the beginning of last season. He's conveniently leaving those losses off by attributing them to Miles, but then taking full advantage of O's wins over Missouri (4-8), Southern Miss (7-6), Ole Miss (5-7), Arkansas (7-6), Texas A&M (8-5), and Louisville (9-4).
O had zero quality wins last season because he mostly played cupcake opponents once he was named interim HC. That's a very big reason as to why his overall winning percentage looks stronger.... he's not having to count LSU's two early season losses which are being credited towards Miles.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:41 am to DuncanIdaho
Unless I'm mistaken, this thread is regarding O vs Gus at their current respective schools.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:43 am to BHMKyle
Agreed. If we're being honest, nothing should be counted for or against O until the start of the 2017 year.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:44 am to 14&Counting
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Gus beat two #1 teams back-to-back and won his division. His losses were to the #1 team on the road, the #3 team in the SECCG, and a road loss in a hostile environment
Yep. Still potential for LSU to claim a Natty
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:44 am to BHMKyle
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In just two seasons Kirby has an SEC Title and is in the college football playoff.
In the SEC lEast, with Florida humping sharks, Tennessee gobbling cocks, South Carolina dealing with Florida's reject coach, Missouri sleeping through the first half, and Kentucky being Kentucky.
Props to Georgia for beating an injury depleted Auburn, but declaring Kirby legit after one good season is getting out over your skis.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:49 am to thunderbird1100
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Troy > LSU > Auburn
Troy > LSU > Auburn > Alabama
Troy.
Unconquered.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:56 am to JohnnyBob
Arkansas should be in the sunbelt
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:02 am to troyt37
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In the SEC lEast, with Florida humping sharks, Tennessee gobbling cocks, South Carolina dealing with Florida's reject coach, Missouri sleeping through the first half, and Kentucky being Kentucky.
Yes. But also having to play Auburn twice, plus Mississippi State, plus Notre Dame. Those are four games against ranked opponents in addition to playing the SEC East. With those added to the Eastern opponents, it has been a very formidable schedule this season... certainly not a cake walk.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:11 am to pbro62
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Arkansas should be in the sunbelt
We do beat LSU quite often when we shouldn't...
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:12 am to magildachunks
According to the interwebs, Alabama is the 5th dumbest state in the union.....louisiana is the 7th, so who’s dumber?
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