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re: Auburn Football- A program on the rise?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:16 pm to RT1941
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:16 pm to RT1941
Again, a typical response. Lengthy but typical. Nobody from AU tried to claim that what AU coaches have done is a major achievement. What AU fans have tried to say and it either goes over the DA fans head on here or they try and avoid it, is that Auburn has accomplished these things with coaches that were questionable at best. Those questionable coaches have had isolated accomplishments, while playing the hardest schedule every year and have to recruit as a non-flagship state University. Hard to think about another program in that same situation with those same accomplishment. Then throw in these coaches and you wonder why AU fans think could happen with the right coach. AU has been ranked pretty high in the rankings over the years going into November, that is what makes AU part of the conversation. There is no excuse for UGA, UF and Bama not to be part of that same conversation. Bama avoid it as much as Auburn prior to Saban. UGA and UF have even a worst history of it.
But you and others will never acknowledge any of this, because it would make conversations like this moot. You just throw out shite and then look for upvotes from your fellow Cult members.
But you and others will never acknowledge any of this, because it would make conversations like this moot. You just throw out shite and then look for upvotes from your fellow Cult members.
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:29 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Now that's a decent post IP.
Again, a typical response. Lengthy but typical. Nobody from AU tried to claim that what AU coaches have done is a major achievement. What AU fans have tried to say and it either goes over the DA fans head on here or they try and avoid it, is that Auburn has accomplished these things with coaches that were questionable at best. Those questionable coaches have had isolated accomplishments, while playing the hardest schedule every year and have to recruit as a non-flagship state University. Hard to think about another program in that same situation with those same accomplishment. Then throw in these coaches and you wonder why AU fans think could happen with the right coach. AU has been ranked pretty high in the rankings over the years going into November, that is what makes AU part of the conversation. There is no excuse for UGA, UF and Bama not to be part of that same conversation. Bama avoid it as much as Auburn prior to Saban. UGA and UF have even a worst history of it.
But you and others will never acknowledge any of this, because it would make conversations like this moot. You just throw out shite and then look for upvotes from your fellow Cult members.
Auburn has a ton of disadvantages BUT college football has changed dramatically in the last few years to the point where the little guy, the underdog, the disadvantaged can get a leg up and even flourish.
Programs now have unregulated/limitle$$ NIL + an unrestricted transfer portal where inner conference transfers are allowed + the 25 scholly/yr hard cap is waived the last 2 seasons + an NCAA organization that appears totally nonexistent should've benefitted every program in the country.
IF some programs pissed around flailing about and didn't take advantage of those benefits then it's their own damn fault. Do you not agree?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:32 pm to Irons Puppet
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Then throw in these coaches and you wonder why AU fans think could happen with the right coach. AU has been ranked pretty high in the rankings over the years going into November, that is what makes AU part of the conversation. There is no excuse for UGA, UF and Bama not to be part of that same conversation. Bama avoid it as much as Auburn prior to Saban. UGA and UF have even a worst history of it.
But you and others will never acknowledge any of this, because it would make conversations like this moot. You just throw out shite and then look for upvotes from your fellow Cult members.
Why haven't Auburn gotten the right HC in the last 20 years or so? Why were the more recently hires were not the right fit? So, this time it will be a homerun hire?
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:38 pm to Irons Puppet
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At least AU has been in the conversation the last 25 years from time to time. Prior to last year, UGA was an afterthought.
Hardly, UGA has been more frequently relevant having finished number 3 in 2002, 2 in 2007 and 2017, was close to NC game in 2012. That's 5 times winning or within an inch of NC in 20 years. That's not counting 7 other top 10 finishes over the same time period. (I'm an Alabama fan, btw.) AU's infrequent big seasons have usually been bolts of lightning out of nowhere, greatly assisted by once in a normal program's lifetime, events - 2004 excepted.
You're been shown to be a bitter little man because your primary rival has dominated college football for the past 15 years after being great for most of the 85 years prior to that - and you thought he was buried. Now your number two rival has joined in the fun. It's tough for you and would garner sympathy but your envy is eating you alive and it shows in post after post. You can rarely even acknowledge the success of others. Lighten up, it's just a game.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:45 pm to TrueLefty
quote:Auburn has been in a situation where they've had people behind the scenes and within their Administration that are happiest when they had their hands all up in the football program. It's questionable if those people are still in power or not, even though the mess w/Harsin in February looked a little like an "inside" job.
Why haven't Auburn gotten the right HC in the last 20 years or so? Why was the more recently hires were not the right fit? So, this time it will be a homerun hire?
Auburn has had successes (2010 NC/2013 NC) in spite of who their 2 main rivals are. But that meddling element may never stand down and let the Coach run his own show. That element of the program is said to tighten their wallets when they don't get what they want or get pissy when they don't get their way. That type mentality does nothing positive for the university and only retards consistent growth and advancement for the program.
That new football only facility should've been built immediately after they won the NC in 2010, the timing was right and Auburn was hot. But the $$ folks withheld funding and here they are 12 yrs later and just now opening the thing when it could've been used as a recruiting tool all these years. Now in the environment of big time recruiting that FOF is an afterthought because every big program has them.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:57 pm to RT1941
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Auburn has a ton of disadvantages BUT college football has changed dramatically in the last few years to the point where the little guy, the underdog, the disadvantaged can get a leg up and even flourish.
The only little guys who took advantage of it, was for token reasons by the committee, Power 6 Bowls and ESPN. Was Cincinatti deserving of it? UCF? Washington? Throw into the conversation of Baylor. Then throw in ND and reasons they were in. Do you remember in 2014 when Ole Miss, MSU and AU were in the top 4 of the first CFP Poll? What other conference faces that issue and yet a team that beat 2 number one teams in a 3-week period is left out. The system sucks and will not change until the playoff is expanded.
You are right about NIL and the transfer portal. People do not want to admit it but Auburn has money. Their graduates are in the tech fields and that is where the future money will be. AU just has hired a coach to unite that fanbase and unit that money. We will see.
You and your fellow fanbase do not want to admit it, but Bama definitely took advantage of how the NCAA ran things before NIL. They made under the table payments to recruits (most programs do), but that is small in comparison to NIL. Recruits took the under the table chicken feed and signed with Saban for NFL purposes. That is the biggest change now. When Saban leaves, NIL money will have to be huge to keep up. Bama will not be able to keep up long-term. UGA can ride with Kirby, A&m and Texas can ride with big money, but the rest will be scrambling to find their niche. Just my opinion.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:00 pm to Irons Puppet
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AU has had three undefeated seasons the last 30 years, anyone else in the SEC?
AU has had 3 undefeated regular seasons (93, 04, 10) in the past 30 years, and 2 including the post season. Been a while.
Alabama has had 7 undefeated regular seasons (92, 94, 08, 09, 16, 18, 20), and 3 undefeated seasons (92, 09, 20) including the post season, in the past 30 years.
But undefeated is not the primary goal, it's SECCs and NCs.
Bowden was a good game-day coach and play caller - a poor "program-coach".
Tuberville was good at making his teams tough and an aggressive game-day coach - a decent program-coach.
Malzahn was a good game-day coach and play-caller and a fair program-coach. People kind of caught up with his simple offense, though not completely.
AU is like women: they come into the world thinking they have two strikes against them, which gives them a chip on their shoulder and to them it justifies any means they might use to even the playing field. Neither are wrong in their assessment that they have 2 strikes against them - men and Alabama and UGA are bigger and stronger.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:02 pm to TrueLefty
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Why haven't Auburn gotten the right HC in the last 20 years or so? Why were the more recently hires were not the right fit? So, this time it will be a homerun hire?
Because every one of those coaches have some type of accomplishment. When that happens, the status quo overtakes logic and those in power keep it. With Harsin's failures, that group and the PTB have united to get it right. That is why Harsin has been actually good for the program. The new coach will have a lot of support.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:10 pm to tattoo
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AU has had 3 undefeated regular seasons (93, 04, 10) in the past 30 years, and 2 including the post season. Been a while.
Alabama has had 7 undefeated regular seasons (92, 94, 08, 09, 16, 18, 20), and 3 undefeated seasons (92, 09, 20) including the post season, in the past 30 years.
So AU matches Bama's achievement during that period. A period considered the greatest in Bama's history and maybe the best in CF History.
They did that with some very average coaches.
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But undefeated is not the primary goal, it's SECCs and NCs.
That is the goal, but the undefeated seasons are accomplished on the field. The NCs are done by passing the "eye test" or a beauty contest for a committee or reporters.
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AU is like women: they come into the world thinking they have two strikes against them, which gives them a chip on their shoulder and to them it justifies any means they might use to even the playing field. Neither are wrong in their assessment that they have 2 strikes against them - and UGA are bigger and stronger.
No, the system always allowed "men and Alabama" to get away with things, NIL is like the "me too" movement for college sports.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:24 pm to Irons Puppet
Who, besides an alumnus, wants to coach there now with the way the admin/boosters/fans treat coaches?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:32 pm to RT1941
The truth about Auburn's issues over the years is not about meddling by anyone. It is the coaches just were incapable of prolong success due to arrogance or laziness. The PTB got involved after they showed that trait. They don't meddle when things are going well.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:36 pm to Neto
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Who, besides an alumnus, wants to coach there now with the way the admin/boosters/fans treat coaches?
Any coach that want an opportunity to succeed, who want to be paid well and who likes the challenges of the top league in the country. AU coaches aren't treated poorly by those you mentioned until they frick up. That is true at most schools.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:05 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Anyone who doesn’t admit Auburn has a ton of money are idiots. He’ll, yall will end up paying a record $$ for at least 2 entire coaching staffs to NOT coach there when you get done kicking Harsin and his bunch to the curb. Yall have money to throw around like very few programs anywhere. That money comes with strings though, and when the puppet masters choose to reign in that money they will at any given time.
You are right about NIL and the transfer portal. People do not want to admit it but Auburn has money. Their graduates are in the tech fields and that is where the future money will be. AU just has hired a coach to unite that fanbase and unit that money. We will see. You and your fellow fanbase do not want to admit it, but Bama definitely took advantage of how the NCAA ran things before NIL. They made under the table payments to recruits (most programs do), but that is small in comparison to NIL. Recruits took the under the table chicken feed and signed with Saban for NFL purposes. That is the biggest change now. When Saban leaves, NIL money will have to be huge to keep up. Bama will not be able to keep up long-term. UGA can ride with Kirby, A&m and Texas can ride with big money, but the rest will be scrambling to find their niche. Just my opinion.
You keep on wishcasting that Bama will crumble when Saban retires, keep believing Alabama will fall behind because their backers can’t “keep up” with NIL. To use a Harsin slogan, “Just Watch.”
I’m don’t with the pissy back and forth ITT, have a good evening IP. I’m about to enjoy a nice bourbon on the pier in this wonderful weather. Cheers
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:23 pm to RT1941
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Anyone who doesn’t admit Auburn has a ton of money are idiots. He’ll, yall will end up paying a record $$ for at least 2 entire coaching staffs to NOT coach there when you get done kicking Harsin and his bunch to the curb. Yall have money to throw around like very few programs anywhere. That money comes with strings though, and when the puppet masters choose to reign in that money they will at any given time.
Gus's payoff wasn't due to mistakes made by the PTB/Boosters. It was a contract that Greene and Leath designed and the PTB agreed to pay. When he was let go, those people had a plan for his replacement. Then Gogue and Greene (again) got involved and hired Harsin. Those people remained quiet, but the wheels started turning on getting rid of Greene. Harsin's performance on and off the field accelerated the removal of the final player in the frick up. Now that Roberts is in place, there are no strings attached to this next hire. It might be the first time that AU has had a unilaterally accepted hire.
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You keep on wishcasting that Bama will crumble when Saban retires, keep believing Alabama will fall behind because their backers can’t “keep up” with NIL. To use a Harsin slogan, “Just Watch.”
It is not wishcasting. Saban will retire and when he does everything will change at Bama. Saban had complete control of the program. Does that happen for the next coach? Will the Bama PTB remain in the background keeping their mouths shut? As far as money is concerned, we saw some of that this year. Saban had to beg for it this year, who will do it when he leaves? Will they be listened to then. The Bama money doesn't hold up long-term to many other programs.
Enjoy you evening.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:25 pm to Irons Puppet
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The truth about Auburn's issues over the years is not about meddling by anyone
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:30 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
No dumbass, the meddling took place after a coach fricked up. I know the truth goes against your narrative.
Please tells us examples of the meddling and when they happen. That will tell us everything we need to know about you and if you just talk out of your arse.
Please tells us examples of the meddling and when they happen. That will tell us everything we need to know about you and if you just talk out of your arse.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:34 pm to Neto
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Who, besides an alumnus, wants to coach there now with the way the admin/boosters/fans treat coaches?
Somebody who wants to walk away with $20 million win or lose
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:40 pm to tgrmeat
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Which game did they lose? I looked it up. I couldn't find one.
How'd they do in the SEC title game?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:54 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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How'd they do in the SEC title game?
I know how they did against Florida and I know the definition of undefeated.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 7:03 pm to tgrmeat
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I know how they did against Florida and I know the definition of undefeated.
How'd they do in the SEC title game since you want Auburn to claim 1993?
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