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re: Auburn fans- What do you expect from Harsin?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 1:56 pm to abellsujr
Posted on 7/20/21 at 1:56 pm to abellsujr
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You can call 2019 a lucky year for us if you want, but it doesn’t happen without studs all over the field AND the best offensive coordinator in college.
and that same team beat Auburn by 3 pts, and Auburn had the lead at halftime.
Also Auburn is the last team to beat Bama, recruiting studs isnt the end all tell all in winning titles, there is so much more to it than that.
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 1:56 pm to Leto II
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When has that ever been any different?
It was different before Georgia and A&M hired coaches who unleashed their full recruiting potential.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:00 pm to 5Wide
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You think it's reasonable to expect that when you're getting out-recruited every year by at least 4 teams on your schedule (Bama, Georgia, LSU, A&M)?
LSU lost to us last year.
Texas A&M has won once vs Auburn in the last 3 years
We are the last team to beat Bama
we literally have been out recruited by those 4 since the beginning of CFB and we're a top 15 team in wins, currently approaching the 800 win club.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:02 pm to 5Wide
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A&M hired coaches who unleashed their full recruiting potential
1 victory vs Auburn in last 3 games...No victories in College Station.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:03 pm to TheGusBus34
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1 victory vs Auburn in last 3 games...No victories in College Station.
And last years team had mailed it in by the A&M game.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:07 pm to TheGusBus34
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the last 4 Auburn coaches have either gone undefeated or played in a title game. Dont bet the house on that not happening with Harsin.
I would bet the house on that not happening with Harsin.
In the Saban era, the 2010 team won it with arguably the greatest QB (for one season) in the history of CFB and the 2013 team needed two fluke plays in B2B games.
Now, Alabama is as strong as ever, Georgia is as good as they have been since the Herschel years, Florida is getting back to form, LSU should bounce back, A&M is a factor, and Kiffin and the Pirate are wildcards who might beat anyone. And then there's Clemson, Ohio State and Oklahoma to deal with on the national stage.
I don't see it.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:09 pm to TheGusBus34
quote:Hes referring to your goals though. To reach the goals you posted means winning at a high level and doing so consistently. Not beating a good team here or there then losing to a mediocre team the following week. It’s never going to happen without recruiting at a high level consistently. That’s always the first step. Look at what Sark is doing at Texas. There’s just not a lot of hype with the Harsin hire. He has a very big uphill battle.
LSU lost to us last year.
Texas A&M has won once vs Auburn in the last 3 years
We are the last team to beat Bama
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:17 pm to Globetrotter747
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the 2013 team needed two fluke plays in B2B games.
You realize that team led the entire nation in rushing. An SEC team has never done that before.
Do you also realize Auburn was winning that Alabama game in OT if Saban didn't have a brain fart and kicked that field goal? It was a rare display of good coaching on Malzahn's part and a poor decision by Saban.
Do you also realize Auburn had a 20 point lead in the 2013 game vs. UGA going into the 4th? The real fluke was Jake Holland actually made a tackle but blocked the replay camera that showed Aaron Murray not breaking the plane in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:25 pm to TheGusBus34
quote:Congrats?
and that same team beat Auburn by 3 pts, and Auburn had the lead at halftime.
quote:Absolutely. But that’s always step one.
Also Auburn is the last team to beat Bama, recruiting studs isnt the end all tell all in winning titles, there is so much more to it than that.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:29 pm to Solo Cam
Unless Hairsin can’t recruit, like Auburn coaches before him, he’ll catch the SEC by surprise in a year or two.
This post was edited on 7/20/21 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:31 pm to Solo Cam
15-0 Ship! 
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:35 pm to Leto II
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You realize that team led the entire nation in rushing. An SEC team has never done that before.
Do you also realize Auburn was winning that Alabama game in OT if Saban didn't have a brain fart and kicked that field goal? It was a rare display of good coaching on Malzahn's part and a poor decision by Saban.
Do you also realize Auburn had a 20 point lead in the 2013 game vs. UGA going into the 4th? The real fluke was Jake Holland actually made a tackle but blocked the replay camera that showed Aaron Murray not breaking the plane in the 4th quarter.
Still needed two fluke plays to win - at home.
None of that really matters, though. The CFB landscape changes all the time, and I'm not really feeling the energy and momentum with Harsin. I would feel quite comfortable betting against him to win the SEC and/or make the playoffs in the next five years.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:52 pm to Leto II
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The real fluke was Jake Holland actually made a tackle but blocked the replay camera that showed Aaron Murray not breaking the plane in the 4th quarter.
I had erased that from my memory...garbage
Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:28 pm to Globetrotter747
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2013 team needed two fluke plays in B2B games
You do realize outside those “fluke plays”, no other SEC team in the history of CFB ever lead the nation in rushing. That 2013 Auburn offense was one of the best in the history of the sec in terms of yds. So that year was no fluke.
Blame UGA DBs for having a WR outnumbered and not coming down with an INT.
Or Blame Bama begging to get a second on the clock to kick a 50yd+ FG with a green kicker. Then Auburn froze their kicker with a timeout and they inserted their Punt Returner instead of a safety that was out there.
We call these “fluke plays”
Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:36 pm to abellsujr
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But that’s always step one.
In my opinion, establishing a culture with the players you have and winning comes first before recruiting as a whole, but I totally agree it’s very important.
Tbh, our recruiting rankings wont reflect the talent that is on our current team or coming to until at least 2023. Most of the 2022 spots are gonna be used in the portal or already have been counted against 22.
So for instance we may only take 15-18 freshmen out of HS this year, and the rest of the 7-10 spots are portal guys that are on the team now or future portal guys we take after season counting toward 2022.
I like the direction of our recruiting, it will ramp up once we take the field.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:42 pm to Solo Cam
I want to see a team that is prepared for every game.
I want to see players develop their talent and become better football players each season they are in the program.
Harsin will either compete to win the SEC on a regular basis or he will be fired.
I want to see players develop their talent and become better football players each season they are in the program.
Harsin will either compete to win the SEC on a regular basis or he will be fired.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:48 pm to Globetrotter747
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. I would feel quite comfortable betting against him to win the SEC and/or make the playoffs in the next five years.
There are several SEC teams whose odds would be even longer than AU for making the playoffs.
I wonder if Las Vegas would offer a prop bet for SEC champion: Bama or Field.
I would think Bama would be like 1to 2 to win league. So you could get 2:1 to bet anyone except Bama.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:54 pm to Globetrotter747
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Still needed two fluke plays to win - at home.
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and/or make the playoffs in the next five years.
going to get a lot easier to make playoffs, not really a good bet to make
Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:58 pm to Solo Cam
Same for any other AU coach for me.
I think in an era where Alabama wasn't dominating quite as much, we'd win the West every 3-4 years. With Alabama still chugging and the emergence of A&M, I'll call it every 4-5 years. Win 50% of the SEC title games we appear in. That results in us picking up an SEC title every 8-10 years or so. That's also in line with our recent history. On that basis we're arguably due a good run pretty soon, but I don't put much stock into that sort of thing.
I don't expect to win the conference in the first 4 years. I do think winning the west and playing for the SEC title within the first 4-5 years is a reasonable expectation. Of course, if we're winning 9-10 games a year and Alabama or whoever is just bulldozing folks, I'm not going to blame Harsin for a delay in that regard.
Get to SEC title games 2-3 times a decade and win 1 or 2 and the playoff/natty opportunities will take care of themselves.
I do think being on the verge of the expanded playoff is going to shift a lot of metrics for a lot of teams, but I really can't envision it until we start to see how it's going to play out in reality.
I think in an era where Alabama wasn't dominating quite as much, we'd win the West every 3-4 years. With Alabama still chugging and the emergence of A&M, I'll call it every 4-5 years. Win 50% of the SEC title games we appear in. That results in us picking up an SEC title every 8-10 years or so. That's also in line with our recent history. On that basis we're arguably due a good run pretty soon, but I don't put much stock into that sort of thing.
I don't expect to win the conference in the first 4 years. I do think winning the west and playing for the SEC title within the first 4-5 years is a reasonable expectation. Of course, if we're winning 9-10 games a year and Alabama or whoever is just bulldozing folks, I'm not going to blame Harsin for a delay in that regard.
Get to SEC title games 2-3 times a decade and win 1 or 2 and the playoff/natty opportunities will take care of themselves.
I do think being on the verge of the expanded playoff is going to shift a lot of metrics for a lot of teams, but I really can't envision it until we start to see how it's going to play out in reality.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 4:22 pm to Pettifogger
If Auburn plays to its historical average of 12th-15th all time in wins, we should be in the playoff conversation yearly with its expansion.
This is actually growing to be one of my favorite teams from a roster stand point since 2017. I feel if we are lead correctly we will surprise folks.
I think our problems last year were mainly because we lacked mentally and schematically on Offense. With Bobo and Harsin both being former college QBs, OCs and HCs that experience itself should help our offense be less predictable.
The biggest X factor game for us right now should be beating the shite out of Penn St on the road to give us momentum to go thru our season.
Recruiting is gonna come, its funny that people yell “recruiting” and “stars” when Joey Burrow gave a whole “I told you” speech about LSU taking kids that nobody wanted and made them into arguably the best team of all time in 2019.
Culture, momentum, chemistry and even luck plays a major part in winning titles not just stars and recruiting titles.
This is actually growing to be one of my favorite teams from a roster stand point since 2017. I feel if we are lead correctly we will surprise folks.
I think our problems last year were mainly because we lacked mentally and schematically on Offense. With Bobo and Harsin both being former college QBs, OCs and HCs that experience itself should help our offense be less predictable.
The biggest X factor game for us right now should be beating the shite out of Penn St on the road to give us momentum to go thru our season.
Recruiting is gonna come, its funny that people yell “recruiting” and “stars” when Joey Burrow gave a whole “I told you” speech about LSU taking kids that nobody wanted and made them into arguably the best team of all time in 2019.
Culture, momentum, chemistry and even luck plays a major part in winning titles not just stars and recruiting titles.
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