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re: Auburn fans -- Chizik or Tuberville?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 9:49 am to InVolNerable
Posted on 10/12/12 at 9:49 am to InVolNerable
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The 2004 team coached by Tuberville would beat the 2010 team coached by Chizik.
I think you can make a strong case for this. 2004 was a much more complete team with a killer defense and offense, while 2010 didn't even know what defense was outside of Fairley.
My only hesitation would be that Tubbs defenses had a tendency to shite the bed sometimes against good cutbacks and misdirection. I could see Malzahn busting a few big plays on Tubbs.
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:12 am to Breesus2Jimmy
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Chizik didn't even want Cam, Luper and Malzahn had to convince him to take him.
Either way, i don't think many coaches coudl have handled that shite storm surrounding cam in the 2010 season and still gone out there and did what they did. WIth that said, i think the only reason he handled it so well is becuase he was too dumb to handle it any other way.
Oh and take the "auburn fans" out of the subject, we're clearly the minority in this thread.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:20 am to piggidyphish
I'll take the natty title.
Ask UGA fans if they would rather have Richt or a couple of bad years and a national title
Ask UGA fans if they would rather have Richt or a couple of bad years and a national title
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:24 am to Bow to Auburn
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Bow to Auburn
Auburn fans -- Chizik or Tuberville?
I'll take the natty title.
Ask UGA fans if they would rather have Richt or a couple of bad years and a national title
How confident are you that it will only be "a couple of bad years"?
Ironic thing about Tuberville is that last year the Auburn admin and fans wanted to throw Tuberville under the bus because he allegedly stopped recruiting and left them with a weak roster, but the reality is that even with Newton, Chizik never would have won an NC without the veteran senior offensive line that Tuberville recruited.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:26 am to InVolNerable
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The 2004 team coached by Tuberville would beat the 2010 team coached by Chizik.
respectfully disagree.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:27 am to diddydirtyAubie
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Tubs won the People's National Championship as awarded by the Dothan Eagle.
FIFY
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:28 am to jer2913
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FIFY
good grief...get over it.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:30 am to piggidyphish
I was joking. I also believe that Auburn should have gotten a shot in 2004. Not sure they would have beaten USC but they sure would have put up more of a fight than Big Game Bob.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:41 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Auburn is the rare case that a national championship was detrimental to the big picture success of the program. I know most of y'all were quick to defend chizik when others said cam was the reason you won it in 2010.
What if mike shula signed tim tebow and went on to win a national title? Do you think alabama would have been better off now had that happened? NC's are great but in hindsight it appears that's the worst thing that could have happened to auburn. It has bought chizik enough time to steer the aircraft carrier directly into the side of a cliff (this exceeds "train wreck" at this point)
I think firing tubberville was the right decision for auburn to make. He had become lazy and complacent. If the administration has brains in their collective heads they will see that chizik is trying, he just isn't good enough to get the job done arse a head coach. AU needs to cut ties sooner rather than later or long term damage will be the result. Just my opinion
I think this is a pretty good analysis of the situation. I think Auburn got the most Tubs could give them, and now they've gotten the most that Chizik can give them. I also know that I'm in the minority and that buyout is huge, but I really think that Chizik will be gone at the end of the season. I think there are enough people down on the Plains who know that another season like this one would be a disaster for the program and they won't risk it.
Auburn has all the potential in the world. They have a loyal fan base and plenty of money. The facilities are very good and could be great. They have the ability to recruit very effectively. But for some reason, they have a long history of bad hires. I think for a long time the blame rested with Bobby Lowder, but that isn't true any longer.
If Chizik survives this season, I think it will eventually cost Jay Jacobs his job. Yes, $20 million or so for the buyout is expensive, but how much more will the university lose in revenue if this malaise extends through another season? The powers that be will be asking that question around Christmastime.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:51 am to Clutch Cargo
Bama and Auburn fans are in complete agreement on the rant.
What has Chizik done?
What has Chizik done?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 10:57 am to Clutch Cargo
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But for some reason, they have a long history of bad hires
We do? I dont recall that many coaching hires at Auburn in football
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:00 am to LA kid but AU fan
I am in the minority, I would take the job Chizik has done versus Tubs any day of the week. I hated the way Tubs coached football. People can claim that they love defense all they want but if you are biting your fingernails for the defense to make a stop the last drive of every game to win, it grinds on you.
Chizik's tenure is coming to a close, i think it will be next year if he can't win 10 games next year and still show promise on the horizon. But a bad season and a few mediocre ones were worth a championship, however tainted as outsiders see it.
As for 2004 versus 2010, i think 2004 wins. With as much talent as '04 had, they still couldn't put up points and Newton and Fairley would have willed the '10 team to a win.
Chizik's tenure is coming to a close, i think it will be next year if he can't win 10 games next year and still show promise on the horizon. But a bad season and a few mediocre ones were worth a championship, however tainted as outsiders see it.
As for 2004 versus 2010, i think 2004 wins. With as much talent as '04 had, they still couldn't put up points and Newton and Fairley would have willed the '10 team to a win.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:02 am to Kevua
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Auburn co-worker just read this over my shoulder. Her statement was Gene Chizik has stated that he didn't want Cam Newton, it was Looper who did. But without Chizik there would be no Curtis Looper.
Well without Tuberville getting lazy there would have been no Chizik, thus no Luper, thus no Cam, thus no NC. So in the end all the credit still goes back to Tuberville. Mindblown.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 11:05 am to Warfarer
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I would take the job Chizik has done versus Tubs any day of the week. I hated the way Tubs coached football. People can claim that they love defense all they want but if you are biting your fingernails for the defense to make a stop the last drive of every game to win, it grinds on you.
Yea I guess being out of it by the middle of the 2nd quarter is easier on the nerves.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:14 pm to NYCAuburn
Doug Barfield
Terry Bowden
Tommy Tuberville
Gene Chizik
Yeah, I'd say that's a bad history. I think the Auburn program struggled to live up to its potential with all four of these guys and that spans a pretty long time. I think Auburn has everything in place it needs to be a consistently dominant program in the league and I don't think that has happened except for a while with Pat Dye. I think Auburn is capable of maintaining the success Dye had over a long period of time, but weaker than need be hires have held the program back somewhat.
Terry Bowden
Tommy Tuberville
Gene Chizik
Yeah, I'd say that's a bad history. I think the Auburn program struggled to live up to its potential with all four of these guys and that spans a pretty long time. I think Auburn has everything in place it needs to be a consistently dominant program in the league and I don't think that has happened except for a while with Pat Dye. I think Auburn is capable of maintaining the success Dye had over a long period of time, but weaker than need be hires have held the program back somewhat.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:18 pm to InVolNerable
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The 2004 team coached by Tuberville would beat the 2010 team coached by Chizik.
2004 woulda killed 2010 team
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:18 pm to Clutch Cargo
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Doug Barfield Terry Bowden Tommy Tuberville Gene Chizik
I see 1 bad hire 2 possible bad hires in about 40 years.
Would you also say Bama has an extremely long history of bad hires as well?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:30 pm to NYCAuburn
Of course I would. I would say that Bama, like any other program, has made bad hires. No doubt. DuBose was a horrible hire. Shula wasn't a great hire. Curry wasn't a horrible hire, but a bad fit.
I'm not trying to troll. You'd be a happier person if you didn't have to compare everything at AU to UA. Maybe then you wouldn't be so defensive.
But since you're asking for a comparison, I'll give it this, Bama has made some bad hires, but they've also had a long history of correcting the problem by following up with a great hire. Auburn hasn't done that and that's the difference.
Ears Whitworth was a disaster. Followed up by Bear Bryant.
Curry was a bad fit (but I think he was a decent coach). Followed up by Gene Stallings.
Dubose was a horrible hire, but the fallout made it hard to make a solid hire. We just kept putting band-aids on the situation until we emerged from probation. We followed that with Nick Saban.
By comparison, after probation, AU followed with Terry Bowden.
All I'm saying is that I respect the program. I don't think it is true for all places, but you're one really good hire away from being a top-level program. I'd put UGA in the same category. I don't think the Mississippi schools, Kentucky, South Carolina or even Tennessee have the same ready-made recipe for big time success that AU and UGA have.
Curious as to which one you would call a bad hire?
I'm not trying to troll. You'd be a happier person if you didn't have to compare everything at AU to UA. Maybe then you wouldn't be so defensive.
But since you're asking for a comparison, I'll give it this, Bama has made some bad hires, but they've also had a long history of correcting the problem by following up with a great hire. Auburn hasn't done that and that's the difference.
Ears Whitworth was a disaster. Followed up by Bear Bryant.
Curry was a bad fit (but I think he was a decent coach). Followed up by Gene Stallings.
Dubose was a horrible hire, but the fallout made it hard to make a solid hire. We just kept putting band-aids on the situation until we emerged from probation. We followed that with Nick Saban.
By comparison, after probation, AU followed with Terry Bowden.
All I'm saying is that I respect the program. I don't think it is true for all places, but you're one really good hire away from being a top-level program. I'd put UGA in the same category. I don't think the Mississippi schools, Kentucky, South Carolina or even Tennessee have the same ready-made recipe for big time success that AU and UGA have.
Curious as to which one you would call a bad hire?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 12:34 pm to Clutch Cargo
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You'd be a happier person if you didn't have to compare everything at AU to UA. Maybe then you wouldn't be so defensive.
I am not being denfensive, I just think to say Auburn has a long history of bad hires as laughable
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Curious as to which one you would call a bad hire?
Barfield, Duh
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:14 pm to Clutch Cargo
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Tommy Tuberville
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I'd say that's a bad history
For a decade we were the second best, very close to the best, program in the SEC West and a contender to win the division pretty much every single year aside from 03 and 08. Tuberville left on a sour note but did a great job at Auburn.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 1:16 pm
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