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re: Auburn DC Ellis Johnson explains why HUNH is deteriorating the game

Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:28 pm to
Posted by Dubosed
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:28 pm to
The front four is the key to stopping the HUHN. If your front four can play at an elite level then then you can blow up a HUHN offense. I'm against this rule change though. It will be a travesty if they implement this garbage arse rule.
Posted by BrerTiger
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:28 pm to
Nice find, OP.

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Johnson said, “One thing that has gotten into it that I’ve been pretty outspoken, that I really think is starting to deteriorate some of college football is the hurry up offenses. There is nothing wrong a pace and speeding up the play on the operation side. I get that.”

“But what’s happening now with the rules is that you can snap it as soon as you want to or you can sit on it for 40 seconds, and there is no in-between.”

“Canadian ball is very fast-paced, but the offense can’t sit there all day long. They have a 20 second limit. The NFL cut it out with Buffalo in the 90’s, they kind of put some cold water on it a little bit with the Colts not too many years ago. What they realized is they’re taking the game of football and turning it into soccer or lacrosse. There’s nothing wrong with those sports, but that’s not football.”
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:29 pm to
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It's hardly backdooring if you are personally invited by the committee to attend the meeting.


Yes after dinky made the request to address the committee first. Then he was invited to attend the meeting.
Damn that Iron Bowl and Sugar Bowl really fricked ole nick up this year. Nick better get someone out to do damage control besides the gumps on this board.



BTW didn't the OP claim to be a coach in another thread? Kirby is that you? You have been busted!
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 7:34 pm
Posted by kage
ATL
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:30 pm to
Funny how Ellis and co had us more than prepared to sub in efficiently against the hurry up teams we played this year. Some other coaches around the league may want to take some pointers there.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:31 pm to
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Funny how Ellis and co had us more than prepared to sub in efficiently against the hurry up teams we played this year. Some other coaches around the league may want to take some pointers there.
No, it's better to cry to the media and try to get a rule change, IMO.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:33 pm to
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I guess I just don't get the outrage.

Aside for the normal blogosphere bluster?

I think the heart of it is that if Coach Saban thinks the HUNH gives undue advantage to the O he should say so and state his case. I think he could probably make a good one, especially since it is already too tilted (imo) with allowing rub routes, no penalty for intentional grounding outside the tackle box, QB's basically untouchable (this is much worse in the NFL though) and other such rules.

When couched in terms of 'player safety' (which is the only way it could be passed this year instead of having to wait till next), it just seems a bit disingenuous, especially since there is no study showing that it is a player safety issue.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 7:35 pm
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:37 pm to
Not sure anyone is surprised a DC doesn't like the HUNH. Sure they hate a lot of things an offense does
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6910 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:40 pm to
If the HUNH was unstoppable, then how come NFL teams don't use it?
I know that Chip Kelly used a version of it early in the season, but then got away from it.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:44 pm to
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You people really are fricking stupid if you think a coach can just show up at the committee meeting.


You are right.

“Coach Saban asked for the opportunity to meet with the committee and talk about this,”

saban begging for change
Posted by DuncanIdaho
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:47 pm to
This is the first I've heard of this...
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
24575 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:49 pm to
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:00 pm to
Yeah Leach, Gundy and some others are having a field day. Leach really went to town on Saban. I'm kind of surprised he got that personal.
Posted by THDAY
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:07 pm to
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Yeah Leach, Gundy and some others are having a field day. Leach really went to town on Saban. I'm kind of surprised he got that personal.


I know. Pretty crazy coming from a guy that just lost to Colorado St.....because they fumbled 3 times in final two minutes trying to close the game out since they don't practice slowing the game down. Maybe he should, as he says "coach harder", when it comes to killing the clock.
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 8:10 pm
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:16 pm to
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CapstoneGrad06
Auburn DC Ellis Johnson explains why HUHN is deteriorating the game
I don't think it ever was about player safety. That's Bert's line. I actually feel Saban never more than toed that line, but got pulled into that argument with this whole shite show.



absolutely ... saban made a mistake referring to player safety ... no doubt about it ...
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:16 pm to
Except that both Nick and Brent wanted this change before last season started thereby nullifying Gus and Oklahoma from the argument.

Again blame JFF if anyone.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:16 pm to
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Maybe he should, as he says "coach harder", when it comes to killing the clock.
That's probably what he did. He didn't try to cry through the media like others because he found some limitations as a college football coach.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
29097 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:19 pm to
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saban made a mistake referring to player safety .


Using player safety as their concern is the only way to pass it this year.

The NCAA's playing rules oversight panel will discuss the proposed changes March 6. The only adjustments allowed this year -- not designated as a rules-change year -- are those that involve player safety or modify a previous rule change such as targeting.

LINK
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
7703 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:21 pm to
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LSUFOREVERAMEN
Auburn DC Ellis Johnson explains why HUHN is deteriorating the game
Besides the kick-six, what should Bama have done differently to beat Auburn? Especially on defense. They had the lead with 30 seconds left. What key play cost them the game?


tried something a little more gimmicky than running it, again, up the middle on 4th and 1 ...

maybe aj could've stood up and said "we're gonna pass the ball on this run, boys!" ...
Posted by spacewrangler
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:23 pm to
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Posted by SDVTiger
How does Saban have an issue stopping the HUNH

It took a few fumbles by Yeldon plus some Hail Marys for Arse to Mouth to keep it within 14pts

If Cade Foster doesnt go all Ray Finkle Aubbie loses by 12 minimum.

Bertrum on the other hand is a different story and I see why his fat arse is complaining coming from the Big Shite 10





This^^^... plus Saban has never said he is against up tempo. He said it give the O a huge advantage by not allowing the D the ability to substitute but he will and is adapting to defend that type of offense.

Why should the offense be in control of when substitutions are allowed? Should the offense only be allowed to sub if the defense subs?

Some of y'all need to read this article -especially pay attention to the Saban quoted sections.


"I think everybody misinterpreted what I said about no-huddle. I don't mind playing against no-huddle. We don't mind that at all. That wasn't what I said, it's what you all interpreted it to be.

"I just asked the question, 'Is this what we want the game to become?' That's for you to answer. But that doesn't mean we don't like playing against it. We don't mind playing against it. It is what it is. Our players don't mind playing against it. We played a little bit better against it than when the other team huddled up this past week


There's only two questions that I've ever had. You've heard me talk about this before, I'm not going to speak on it now. I don't have the answer to these questions. Should we allow football to be a continuous game? Is that the way the game was designed to play?

"And the second part of it is, and I don't have the answer to this, is an increased number of plays that players play in the game, is there any safety issues in that?


Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
24408 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:24 pm to
So you're saying Saban should ALTER his thinking?
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