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Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:58 am to borotiger
I know for a fact that the two coaches respect the hell out of eachother, which is pretty cool to see. Both coaches run programs that instill the right stuff in their kids (play hard or you won't play, aggressiveness, team play, etc). It's a golden era for basketball in the state and who knows how long it will last.
This year is the pinnacle with two teams that are legitimate final four favorites and in a handful of teams that will be picked to win a national title in 2 months.
Crazy stuff. The games both being on Saturday for the world to see and talk about both of them is well deserved and the cherry on top.
This year is the pinnacle with two teams that are legitimate final four favorites and in a handful of teams that will be picked to win a national title in 2 months.
Crazy stuff. The games both being on Saturday for the world to see and talk about both of them is well deserved and the cherry on top.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:01 am to Temple of the Dog
quote:He's arguably been our most consistent player this season. He's only had 3 games shooting less than 33% from the field, which is pretty incredible considering 66% of his shot attempts come from behind the 3-point line. In fact, he's shot 38% or better from behind the arc in every single game since 12/22 (10 straight).
This ain't last season and that ain't him anymore
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:06 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Definitely. And somehow it's the first Saturday home game against Auburn since the 2016-17 season, even though we play them at home every single year.
The games both being on Saturday for the world to see and talk about both of them is well deserved and the cherry on top
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:56 am to RT1941
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Holloway needed a little time to grow, and I believe he'd have done that at AU had he stayed. I've enjoyed watching him mature, he's taken ownership in his role on the team and he's feeling confidence.
Sometimes starting over fresh at a new school is needed. As much as I hate it, I think Holloway made a good decision. Would have rather seen him at anywhere else, but it is what it is.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:58 am to mckibaj
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Sometimes starting over fresh at a new school is needed. As much as I hate it, I think Holloway made a good decision. Would have rather seen him at anywhere else, but it is what it is.
Jaden Bradley had a similar arc with us - though I think a lot of his issues were the off court situation and needing to get away from the memory of that. He had a very up and down freshman year as a 5-star PG, left and started over at Arizona and has had a really solid 2 years there.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:22 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Yes correct. We play a lot of street ball. Rarely do you see the point guard hold up his hands organizing the players to get into position and run a play like Duke, or even Auburn. Yes we can score and yes we can shoot the 3, and we win a lot of games because we are way more talented than most. But I see us having trouble against a very solid defensive team like an Auburn, Duke, Iowa State if we don’t run efficient offense.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:24 am to Temple of the Dog
I do. I played college basketball, and watch it. I even go to the games. I understand basketball has changed to a degree, but my opinion is, we play too much street ball. We’ll see coming up soon just how good we are. I hope it all works out, but I would like to see a little more organized offense. We can’t and won’t always beat someone one on one to the hoop
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
The odds of seeing a 1vs2 are there
Auburn
@ ole miss
Oklahoma
Florida
@ Vandy
Bama
Uga
@ ark
@texas
Duke has it toughest acc game @ clemson. I could see Clemson beating duke and auburn dropping a game probably @ ole miss tomorrow. 1 Bama 2 Auburn on Feb 15th
Auburn
@ ole miss
Oklahoma
Florida
@ Vandy
Bama
Uga
@ ark
@texas
Duke has it toughest acc game @ clemson. I could see Clemson beating duke and auburn dropping a game probably @ ole miss tomorrow. 1 Bama 2 Auburn on Feb 15th
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:29 am to RT1941
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Holloway needed a little time to grow, and I believe he'd have done that at AU had he stayed. I've enjoyed watching him mature, he's taken ownership in his role on the team and he's feeling confidence.
He needed to grow up for sure. His practice habits his freshman year were bad bad. Talent was always there for him, but by about midseason he had basically checked out.
Glad he seems to have finally put it together as a Soph, sucks it happened at our in-state rival.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:29 am to RTRnFlorida
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We play a lot of street ball.
No, we don't. We run a continuous motion offense with options 75% of the time - guys don't just run down and go to a spot and wait for a pass or run around and "try to get open". They're running offense. Street ball is standing around waiting for a guy to win their one on one matchup while the other guys stand around the 3 pt line with their hands out to get a pass (see Arkansas).
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Rarely do you see the point guard hold up his hands organizing the players to get into position and run a play like Duke
Because, as noted above, our offense is continuous motion based around the concepts of spacing and filling spots and gaps. And we absolutely "run plays" at certain points, generally if our initial spacing and high ball screen cuts haven't led to a look within the first 7 seconds. It happens quite often, actually.
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Yes we can score and yes we can shoot the 3
We actually don't shoot the 3 all that well and we don't do it nearly as often as we have in the past. What we do extremely well is attack the rim and make shots at the rim. Every stat proves this.
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we win a lot of games because we are way more talented than most
This team likely has 0 lottery picks, 1 late 1st round picks and 2 old guys who might be 2nd round picks.
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But I see us having trouble against a very solid defensive team like an Auburn, Duke, Iowa State if we don’t run efficient offense.
Well, we've already played the best defense in the country in Houston and we put 85 on them along with a host of other elite defenses (we've played the #2 hardest schedule of defenses in the country).
#1 Houston - 85 pts, 1.13 PPP
#9 Texas A&M - 94 pts, 1.41 PPP
#10 Ole Miss - 64 pts, 0.98 PPP
#12 Illinois - 100 pts, 1.44 PPP
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:30 am to RTRnFlorida
quote:Running an NBA system without running a bunch of different set plays is not "street ball". The tempo, drives, spacing, passing lanes, etc. are all carefully orchestrated in practice. The corner 3s off of hammer passes don't happen by accident.
Yes correct. We play a lot of street ball. Rarely do you see the point guard hold up his hands organizing the players to get into position and run a play like Duke, or even Auburn. Yes we can score and yes we can shoot the 3, and we win a lot of games because we are way more talented than most. But I see us having trouble against a very solid defensive team like an Auburn, Duke, Iowa State if we don’t run efficient offense.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:32 am to TideCPA
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Running an NBA system without running a bunch of different set plays is not "street ball". The tempo, drives, spacing, passing lanes, etc. are all carefully orchestrated in practice. The corner 3s off of hammer passes don't happen by accident.
Watch the Celtics run offense. See how many times Derrick White stands, stationary, at the timeline with fingers up yelling out a play to run.
We run tempo NBA spacing offense. Everyone in college basketball who plays efficient offense at pace plays it the exact same way we do (and most of the NBA does)
Alabama - #2 efficiency, #1 tempo
Kentucky - #3 efficiency, #35 tempo
Gonzaga - #4 efficiency, #42 tempo
Arizona - #14 efficiency, #60 tempo
Michigan - #19 efficiency, #51 tempo
Illinois - #23 efficiency, #9 tempo
Vanderbilt - #39 efficiency, #50 tempo
Some efficient offenses play with less pace due to their roster makeup or just general philosophy - Auburn is one of those (though they don't play "slow" - just more middle of the pack). Most of them have bigs that they feed the ball to in the post or the elbow.
Auburn - #1 efficiency, #141 tempo
Houston - #6 efficiency, #360 tempo
Purdue - #8 efficiency, #285 tempo
Villanova - #9 efficiency, #342 tempo
UConn - #12 efficiency, #333 tempo
Duke - #13 efficiency, #253 tempo
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:35 am to RTRnFlorida
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we play too much street ball. We’ll see coming up soon just how good we are. I hope it all works out, but I would like to see a little more organized offense. We can’t and won’t always beat someone one on one to the hoop
As Kobe once put it, it is accidental basketball. Rampant in the NBA now. As long as y'all shoot extremely well and above average from 3 like you did the last two years and so far this year, you'll make a good run. However, it is completely live and die by the 3. '21/'22 season when that 3 ball was below average, the results showed (obviously more happened in that season than just poor 3 pt shooting).
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:38 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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However, it is completely live and die by the 3.
We're the #2 offense in the country efficiency wise and are #190 in 3PT%.
Oklahoma - 107 pts on 9 threes
Vanderbilt - 103 pts on 8 threes
Rutgers - 95 pts on 10 threes
South Carolina - 88 pts on 8 threes
Creighton - 83 pts on 6 threes
LSU - 80 pts on 7 threes
Purdue - 78 pts on 9 threes
It's just not at all true.
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'21/'22 season when that 3 ball was below average, the results showed (obviously more happened in that season than just poor 3 pt shooting).
That team wasn't just a below average 3pt shooting team they were a horrid 3pt shooting team (who also couldn't guard anybody or rebound).
2022 - #302 3PT%, #100 def eff, #289 opp free throw rate, #289 def rebound rate
2025 - #193 3PT%, #38 def eff, #135 opp free throw rate, #176 def rebound rate
And with all of that the 2022 team was still #16 in offensive efficiency. Offense wasn't their issue (even though they couldn't make 3s or stop turning the ball over).
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
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#190 in 3PT%
NCAA website says #217 by percentage at 33.25%. So yeah we don't win by raining 3's. It's comical how little supposed basketball fans understand Oats offensive philosophy.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:41 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:You have no idea what you're talking about. NBA offenses aren't "accidental basketball". It's all analytics-based. You may not like teams taking 40 threes a game, but it's a much more efficient shot (when in the rhythm of the offense) than a midrange pull-up, and always will be. But it also doesn't preclude good shots near the rim, which are generally even more efficient than 3 pointers. So what looks like an "accidental" drive and kick offense is actually a well planned motion offense attacking the defense to get the most efficient shot available.
As Kobe once put it, it is accidental basketball. Rampant in the NBA now. As long as y'all shoot extremely well and above average from 3 like you did the last two years and so far this year, you'll make a good run. However, it is completely live and die by the 3. '21/'22 season when that 3 ball was below average, the results showed (obviously more happened in that season than just poor 3 pt shooting).
And Bama certainly doesn't "live and die by the 3". In fact they are literally in the bottom half of the NCAA in 3 pt shooting (currently 190 of 364), yet are on track for a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament, because they are an elite rebounding team and shoot over 60% from 2.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:47 am to Opry
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some respect
He should have all your respect by now. He's earned it.
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over all is over-rated.
No.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:53 am to TideCPA
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You have no idea what you're talking about. NBA offenses aren't "accidental basketball".
I do and that was the specific term Kobe used to describe the current style of offensive philosophy. You're welcome to watch the interview where he talks about it in comparison to his/Phil Knight's style of play.
Not sure why you are taking offense to it, I didn't say it was a bad system or anything. It is just the current style.
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It's all analytics-based. You may not like teams taking 40 threes a game, but it's a much more efficient shot (when in the rhythm of the offense) than a midrange pull-up, and always will be. But it also doesn't preclude good shots near the rim, which are generally even more efficient than 3 pointers. So what looks like an "accidental" drive and kick offense is actually a well planned motion offense attacking the defense to get the most efficient shot available.
I'm sorry, but where did I say I did or did not like something?
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And Bama certainly doesn't "live and die by the 3". In fact they are literally in the bottom half of the NCAA in 3 pt shooting (currently 190 of 364), yet are on track for a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament, because they are an elite rebounding team and shoot over 60% from 2.
Alabama is currently 15th in made 3's per game. They were 2nd last year. they were 9th the year before.
Last year 19th is %, the year before and 198 in %.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:14 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We're the #2 offense in the country efficiency wise and are #190 in 3PT%.
And you are #15 in 3pts made per game. Last year #2.
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It's just not at all true.
I mean, you guys can call it what you want. Doesn't mean you don't do other things on offense. Seems to be a touchy subject for you guys around here, not sure why.
It is the reality of your system though. I've not said that is a good or bad thing, not sure why y'all are taking it that way.
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