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re: Auburn > Tuscaloosa

Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:25 am to
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:25 am to
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its not really an international city to me.

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Except it is, especially in business and travel.



Atlanta certainly has elements of a global city. There are plenty of publications that rank cities based on their importance to the global economy.

Atlanta ranks #31 according to the Economist Intelligence Unit.
Atlanta ranks #36 according to the AT Kearney Global Cities Index
Atlanta ranks #45 according to the Globalization & World Cities Research Network

But when you zero into the North American region, Atlanta still trails quite a few cities.

As far as North America goes, the EIU rankings look like this (global rank in parentheses):
1. New York (#1)
2. Washington (#8)
3. Chicago (#9)
4. Boston (#10)
5. Toronto (#12)
6. San Francisco (#13)
7. Los Angeles (#19)
8. Montreal (#22)
9. Houston (#23)
10. Dallas (#25)
11. Seattle (#29)
12. Philadelphia (#30)
13. Atlanta (#31)
14. Miami (#43)

If you rank the cities in North America according to the GCI, you get a similar result:

1. New York (#1)
2. Los Angeles (#6)
3. Chicago (#7)
4. Washington (#10)
5. Toronto (#13)
6. Vancouver (#18)
7. Boston (#21)
8. San Francisco (#24)
9. Miami (#29)
10. Montreal (#30)
11. Mexico City (#35)
12. Atlanta (#36)
13. Houston (#38)
14. Dallas (#50)
15. Mexico City (#71)

So by most expert accounts, Atlanta ranks around #12 or #13 of the most important cities in North America.

This is what I'm talking about. Certainly Atlanta has elements of being a global city, but compared to cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.... its not in the same league to be quite honest.

I travel all of the world several times per year. Walking around Atlanta has a totally different feel than the ones at the top of the list. Atlanta still feels like a big southern city. It feels like its about the 12th most important city within a 2500 mile radius.

New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, Chicago, LA, Beijing, Shanghai... its a different story. Way different.

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It has the largest airport in the world that 35% of all international travelers to the United States [b]pass through on the way to their final destination[/b].


Bingo. And there you have it.

The world comes to New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc. They pass through Atlanta.

Atlanta has direct service to many foreign destinations because they are a Delta hub and people often have no choice but to have a stop-over in Atlanta.

Take away Delta, and Atlanta has (or has announced) non-stop service on foreign air carriers to 8 cities: London, Paris, Amsterdam, Seoul, Istanbul, Frankfurt, Doha, and Toronto.

Many of those flights exist simply because Delta partners funnel their passengers on Delta connections once in Atlanta (Korean Air, KLM, Virgin, etc.).

Compare that to New York who has non-stop service to over 80 foreign destinations on foreign airlines.

Even Chicago has non-stop service to nearly 40 cities on foreign airlines.

When Atlanta gets flights to Cairo on Egypt Air, Baku on Azerbaijan Airlines, or even Helsinki on Finnair like New York has at JFK, then you'll know you've reached true global status. It's certainly a good indicator.

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So, I agree that it isn't international in that it is a center of international activity like Paris or New York


Well of course not.

But its not just Paris and New York... there are at least 7 cities in the United States alone that are far more globalized than Atlanta (New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington, Miami, Boston), and another half dozen or so that are arguably equal to Atlanta (Houston, Dallas, Seattle, Philadelphia, Detroit).

Stand in the middle of the Atlanta Airport (even in the F Terminal) and you see mostly Americans walking briskly to catch their flight.

Go sit in a terminal in Dubai, Shanghai, or even Munich (let alone London, Paris, or Tokyo) and you feel like every people group in the world is represented right in front of your eyes.

This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 10:31 am
Posted by Wallacewade04
He's here, he's there, everywhere
Member since Dec 2011
2909 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:27 am to
has Auburn gotten a brewery yet?
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Bro, do you even Copenhagen?


Ha! You beat me to it. You can't go 2 blocks in Copenhagen without seeing a 7/11, and they all look as quaint and beautiful as the one you pictured.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:31 am to
quote:


This is what I'm talking about. Certainly Atlanta has elements of being a global city, but compared to cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.... its not in the same league to be quite honest.



Yea, agreed. It's in the next tier.
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But its not just Paris and New York... there are at least 7 cities in the United States alone that are far more globalized than Atlanta (New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington, Miami, Boston), and another half dozen or so that are arguably equal to Atlanta (Houston, Dallas, Seattle, Philadelphia, Detroit).



Sure. If I were ranking American Tiers of Cities it would be something like
Government Tier (because it is it's own dynamic)
Washington DC

Tier 1
New York
San Fransisco
Los Angeles
Chicago

Tier 2 - Old
Philadelphia
Boston

Tier 2 - New
Atlanta
Dallas
Houston
Seattle
Miami
Minneapolis

Tier 3 - Giant Growth
Austin
Charlotte
Nashville
Raleigh
Denver
Phoenix
San Diego

I think that Atlanta is the most International of the "new cities" (mostly in the Sun Belt) other than Seattle and obviously Miami.

Part of what I love about Atlanta is that there is more than enough international/national feel but I can still feel regionally at home pretty easily as well. I don't think anyone would argue Atlanta is on the Top Tier level of international or even national "prestige", but it is solidly in that second group battling it out with other large Sun Belt cities (Dallas, Houston) and Seattle.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 10:34 am
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:35 am to
What draw does ATL have for Europeans or Asians to visit? For that matter Americans? It is a business destination, but to be a true International City, you have to have a combination of business and tourism.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:36 am to
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It is a business destination


See above


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true International City


Sounds good, it isn't a "true International City" then. It is just a big American city with tons of representation living here from around the world and tons of visitors from around the world. Don't really care either way how it is labeled.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:40 am to
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Part of what I love about Atlanta is that there is more than enough international/national feel but I can still feel regionally at home pretty easily as well.


Certainly agree with this.

Atlanta has done a much better job of managing its growth compared to many of the other cities that boomed during the same time period (Houston, Dallas, Phoenix)

Of the 10 or 12 largest metros, I'd pick to live in Atlanta (or maybe Dallas) over any of the others.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:42 am to
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Atlanta has done a much better job of managing its growth compared to many of the other cities that boomed during the same time period (Houston, Dallas, Phoenix)


And even with that it has still been a huge challenge in terms of the various municipalities instead of one large city, meaning squabbling about everything (mainly mass transit). The suburbs vs in-town wars that are only now finally started to subdue a bit. And, of course, Mass Transit, which only in the last 2-3 years under new leadership has really started to make headway in better ridership and in all likelihood probably expansion soon.

Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:47 am to
Having lived for greater than 2 years in Atlanta, Houston and Miami and spent multiple days in NY, LA, and Philly, I do not believe Atl has an international feel at all.

Of the 3 I've lived in, Miami definitely feels international and a total mixing bowl. American, European, Russian, South American, Caribbean, Cuban.

Houston feels like Texas but with an international element.

Atlanta just feels like the south and a large southern city.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:49 am to
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Having lived for greater than 2 years in Atlanta


Where did you live? In my experiences, if you live OTP, especially in Cobb or North Fulton, it feels the same as being in Vestavia or Spain Park. Same with metro parts of Dallas and Houston (and most other major city suburbs for that matter).

Living in Decatur and spending a lot of time around Emory and other parts of DeKalb County between the two we live, work and our kids hang out with tons of people who are originally from all over the world. But when I go out to the suburbs to do stuff it feels exactly like when I go back to Birmingham with my wife. There isn't anything wrong with it, perse, but there isn't much in terms of diversity.

This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 10:52 am
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:52 am to
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Having lived for greater than 2 years in Atlanta, Houston and Miami and spent multiple days in NY, LA, and Philly, I do not believe Atl has an international feel at all.

Of the 3 I've lived in, Miami definitely feels international and a total mixing bowl. American, European, Russian, South American, Caribbean, Cuban.

Houston feels like Texas but with an international element.

Atlanta just feels like the south and a large southern city.


This is what I was trying to explain earlier.

Atlanta feels like the South.

There is a reason why no one ever thinks of Miami as "the South". It's more Caribbean than it is Southern.

I tend to think of Atlanta, Houston, and Dallas as being all very similar. Atlanta is certainly the better looking city of the three. Houston has the worst traffic and its frankly just ugly. Dallas feels like a true melting pot of the United States, and like Atlanta has some elements of a global city.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:54 am to
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Atlanta feels like the South.

There is a reason why no one ever thinks of Miami as "the South". It's more Caribbean than it is Southern.


Yep, I agree, except to people from smaller places in the South. They are think Atlanta is basically New Jersey, while people from the Northeast think of it as Southern. Always a funny dynamic.

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I tend to think of Atlanta, Houston, and Dallas as being all very similar.


Yep, all very similar Sun Belt cities who face many of the same challenges as they continue to grow. Houston is a little bit different because of it's total tie to the oil industry (which is making things difficult there at the moment) as well as it's wild wild west zoning laws.

Dallas and Atlanta are incredibly similar, even down to the makeup of their Downtown/Uptown/Midtown type areas. Of course, the difference is Dallas is the Dallas-Ft Worth dynamic, which Atlanta doesn't really have.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 10:55 am
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:55 am to
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quote:
true International City


Sounds good, it isn't a "true International City" then. It is just a big American city with tons of representation living here from around the world and tons of visitors from around the world. Don't really care either way how it is labeled.


The visitors are there for what reason ? I consider Atlanta as a jumping off point because of the Airport. There is nothing there that draws the international visitor or many domestic visitors. I guess it is a good place to stop if you are going to Disney World or even Savannah. The Corporation's are there because of the Airport also. Other than that, Atlanta is just like every other City without a River or real mountains. I am glad they have made it comfortable for those who have to live there for work.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:56 am to
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Houston feels like Texas but with an international element.


Obviously you see a lot of Hispanic people in Houston. But I also tend to see more Asians in Houston than any other city in the South. Drive through Sugarland and you'll see Indian grocery stores and restaurants everywhere.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:58 am to
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The visitors are there for what reason ?


Lots of people we run into who are from out of the country plan 10-20 day trips to America and they generally seem to fly into Atlanta and spend the first 1-2 days doing things in the city : Coke Museum, High Museum of Art, Civil Rights Museum, MLK Museum, etc.

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The Corporation's are there because of the Airport also


LOL - which Atlanta built and made into the world leader it is today. The airport didn't just appear out of the sand one day. But yea, that isn't the only reason, but I don't have all day to pull the last 13 Atlanta Business Chronicle articles about every new giant company moving to the region and why they did it.

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Other than that, Atlanta is just like every other City without a River or real mountains.


Well hell, guess we are really good at tricking people then, because we seem to be beating the hell out of pretty much every metro area other than 6-7 in growth and GDP.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 11:00 am
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:59 am to
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But I also tend to see more Asians in Houston than any other city in the South. Drive through Sugarland and you'll see Indian grocery stores and restaurants everywhere.


Agree 100% with this
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:03 am to
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But I also tend to see more Asians in Houston than any other city in the South.

Montgomery has a ton of Asians.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 11:04 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:04 am to
Outside of the West Coast, Asian American % of Population

New York - 9.9%
Washington DC - 9.3%
Houston - 6.5%
Boston - 6.5%
Chicago - 5.6%
Dallas - 5.4%
Philadelphia - 5.0%
Atlanta - 4.8%

Yep, makes sense
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 11:04 am
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28553 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:05 am to
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Houston - 6.5%


It is still something that surprises me sometimes. I start to forget that im in the Houston area, would be interested to see the Indian population as well.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:08 am to
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I start to forget that im in the Houston area, would be interested to see the Indian population as well.


Non-West Coast % of Total Population

1. Trenton NJ - 4.2%
2. New York - 2.8%
3. Washington DC - 2.3%
4. Chicago - 1.8%
5. Raleigh, NC - 1.8%
6. Stamford, CT - 1.7%
7. Dallas - 1.6%
8. Atlanta - 1.5%
8. Houston - 1.5%
8. Philadelphia - 1.5%
8. Seattle - 1.5%
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 11:09 am
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