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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/17/13 at 9:43 am to thefloydian
Posted on 8/17/13 at 9:43 am to thefloydian
Well the problem is he isn't signing 2k in 2-3 hours like the brokers are saying. He might be able to knock out 1k in a day, but that's pretty unreasonable. JFF wasn't holed up with those guys that long.
And even if he could sign 1000 in 3 hours or something ridiculous, those aren't autograph quality signatures that can be authenticated.
So it is more likely he has as many as McCarron and Clowney and Braxton Miller out there, but because of his status they have been reproduced.
Or as has been posed elsewhere, maybe the brokers have a scam going to get JFF out of the bama game and swing the line in their favor to make some $$$$.
And even if he could sign 1000 in 3 hours or something ridiculous, those aren't autograph quality signatures that can be authenticated.
So it is more likely he has as many as McCarron and Clowney and Braxton Miller out there, but because of his status they have been reproduced.
Or as has been posed elsewhere, maybe the brokers have a scam going to get JFF out of the bama game and swing the line in their favor to make some $$$$.
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Posted on 8/17/13 at 9:46 am to Cajun Ag
quote:Yeah - that has to be it.
Or as has been posed elsewhere, maybe the brokers have a scam going to get JFF out of the bama game and swing the line in their favor to make some $$$$.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 9:48 am to Cajun Ag
Remember, part of the authentication is that someone has evidence he was present when he signed it. If Johnny is mailing them in so to speak, they have to spend more time with a handwriting expert and really making sure it is just like the others. Not to mention they'd now have a paper trail, which no one has mentioned yet. The story from ESPN and others is he signed them all in hotel rooms.
Or, as was already said, they could have taken 200 or so and gotten a machine to reproduce them.
Or, as was already said, they could have taken 200 or so and gotten a machine to reproduce them.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 9:53 am to Cajun Ag
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Yeah - that has to be it
Well what other reason did they have to go forward with this information?
The story Rovell is saying is Johnny was "devaluing" his memorabilia by all the exposure and hijinks this summer. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Another line we heard is the Manziels put a cease and desist on Ebay to stop forgeries and the autograph brokers were pissed. So the answer to that is to tarnish their own rep and never get signatures from athletes again? No sense i tell you.
So what is in common with these guys? Is Rovell related to them? The dots are there, not saying it's what happened but it holds as much if not more water than the other theories.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 11:11 am to Cajun Ag
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The story Rovell is saying is Johnny was "devaluing" his memorabilia by all the exposure and hijinks this summer. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
People are seeing that JFF isn't so much a great role-model as he is an irresponsible douche who would rather get drunk and party and blow off his obligations. He can't wait to get out of College Station, remember? Couple that with there being literally thousand of items he has autographed rather than a few hundred on the market and only a blind fanboy would refuse to see that his autograph just isn't worth what it once was.
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Another line we heard is the Manziels put a cease and desist on Ebay to stop forgeries and the autograph brokers were pissed. So the answer to that is to tarnish their own rep and never get signatures from athletes again? No sense i tell you.
The story is that PM said these thousands of autographs were fakes and they were authenticated as being legit. If someone said you were lying about your livelihood you'd defend yourself wouldn't you?
This post was edited on 8/17/13 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/17/13 at 11:25 am to JakeMongoose
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People are seeing that JFF isn't so much a great role-model as he is an irresponsible douche who would rather get drunk and party and blow off his obligations. He can't wait to get out of College Station, remember? Couple that with there being literally thousand of items he has autographed than a few hundred on the market and only a blind fanboy would refuse to see that his autograph just worth what it once was.
More publicity = worth more $$
Only an idiot would think otherwise.
JFF's celebrity and popularity has grown this summer, making his autograph more worthy. It's not even an argument to say otherwise.
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The story is that PM said these thousands of autographs were fakes and they were authenticated as being legit. If someone said you were lying about your livelihood you'd defend yourself wouldn't you?
Well I agree with the Manziels and I have shown here why I think that is the case. Too many autographs to go with their story of a few meetings in a hotel room in short amount of time means some must be faked.
My point (which you missed) was that the autograph brokers coming forward are risking their reputation of getting future autographs from college and pro stars because they are trying to smear JFF. But why would they do that? It only makes sense to keep quiet in this case. Unless there is another motive.
Does Johnny not playing help the value of the autographs they are trying to sell? That is what you are saying and I think that's a stupid reason.
Or is there another way they can get some money off this kid?
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:16 pm to Cajun Ag
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More publicity = worth more $$ Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Not all publicity is good publicity. Only an idiot would think so.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:20 pm to JakeMongoose
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Not all publicity is good publicity. Only an idiot would think so.
Bad publicity is better than no publicity. Just ask Charlie Sheen.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:23 pm to JakeMongoose
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Not all publicity is good publicity
Pretty sure that's not how the saying goes...
This post was edited on 8/17/13 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:27 pm to PrivatePublic
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Bad publicity is better than no publicity. Just ask Charlie Sheen.
I wonder how Jerry Sandusky feels about that.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:30 pm to JakeMongoose
Yes because fricking boys = slamming your face in some white
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:32 pm to Cajun Ag
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And even if he could sign 1000 in 3 hours or something ridiculous, those aren't autograph quality signatures that can be authenticated.
these are the good comments. Not as good as only being able to sign your name a hundred times in an hour, but still funny. Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:33 pm to GalvoAg
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Yes because fricking boys = slamming your face in some white
Never said that it was. I said that not all publicity was good. And it isn't.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:51 pm to Cajun Ag
Really wish texags trash stayed on texags
Posted on 8/17/13 at 6:22 pm to trickydick12
Is it over yet?
Posted on 8/17/13 at 11:48 pm to PrivatePublic
quote:FIFY
Bad publicity is bad publicity. Just ask Anthony Weiner
Posted on 8/18/13 at 12:12 am to Cajun Ag
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Or as has been posed elsewhere, maybe the brokers have a scam going to get JFF out of the bama game and swing the line in their favor to make some $$$$.
You're giving the brokers way too much credit, I think. I really doubt any of them have considered how difficult it would be to do what they said he did. I'm still not sure about their motivations, though, unless it is the thought that if a Heisman trophy winner is suspended his autograph is suddenly more valuable? I dunno. Even if he did exactly what ESPN has reported and signed 4400 autographs for money, why would the brokers who paid him rat him out? I don't get that. There's nothing in it for them that I can see. Maybe we'll learn the truth some day. But I doubt it.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 1:27 am to finestfirst79
Has Manziel made a public statement denying reports of getting paid for signings.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 1:48 am to Sheetbend
A&M's compliance guy has made statements to that effect.
Posted on 8/18/13 at 3:01 am to Cajun Ag
You guys are greatly overestimating the amount of time it takes to sign 4500 autographs.
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