re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us

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The NCAA has as much inherent value as printed currency. The only power they have is what the collective majority says they do. Yeah it's a crazy idea, but it's not the same as everyone not paying taxes. The US government has an enforcement arm that the NCAA doesn't have. If tomorrow every program said "frick the NCAA" it would cease to exist.

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But whatever the NCAA's merits or demerits, schools are not going to simply ignore another school's defiance of the NCAA's rulings and, for example, simply say to A&M, no problem, assuming there is an adverse decision to Manziel. Even A&M will not defy the NCAA's adverse ruling. They will comply. They can't afford not to. And don't expect other schools to come the their defense. They will not do so. I doubt that A&M would risk the potential financial consequences, like not sharing in SEC revenues (and you can expect that the SEC will take punitive action in such a case as well as the NCAA). It might be nice to dream, but it isn't going to happen.

Of course there is a possibility that the big football schools may decide to form another college athletic association, but until that happens, no school is going to defy the NCAA's rulings. They may challenge it in court (and even prevail), but if it is upheld, it is comply or kill your program.

Whatever fantasy scenario might exist about the majority of schools rebelling against the NCAA over something like Manziel's issues, it is simply not happening. The vast majority of university presidents will support the NCAA in this situation. The NCAA may eventually alter some of its rules on compensation for players, etc., but until they do, don't expect any ground swell support for a rogue school's efforts to defy the NCAA, if legal challenges fail. I suspect that university presidents are unlikely to say much in support of Manziel or A&M in the event of a bad outcome for A&M in this case. This is an especially "uncompelling" case for an outcry from university presidents.

I agree they may not have a smoking gun but the fact TAMU hires an attorney firm and JF hires one tells me there are some serious issues that they need legal people for..TAMu has compliance folks and most of them are probably lawyers plus they probably have lawyers on retainer, yet they hire an outside firm that deals with NCAA issues because they want to throw money away for no reason. Deductive reasoning tells me there is some major concern with TAMU right now

I'm not replying to you, you happen to be the last post.....


This is from another Ag who seems to have a good take on this.

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Just look at the Tyrelle Pryor situation PRIOR TO the NCAA's investigation of Jim Tressel (which was after the suspensions). NCAA got word from federal investigators that OSU memorabilia was discovered at the home of a suspect and that it was alleged these items were exchanged for benefits. They informed OSU and IT WAS OSU - not the NCAA - that investigated player eligibility. OSU sat down and interviewed numerous OSU players. They then self-reported to the NCAA and declared Pryor & Co. ineligible. They asked for reinstatement. At that point the NCAA handed down suspensions and reinstated the players' eligibility. This is EXACTLY what's happening here. This investigation could have been going on for weeks already. A&M will investigate, interview, and then self report. They will either declare him eligible or ineligible. If ineligible they will ask for reinstatement and the NCAA will review and provide a suspension (if any). For those worried about timing, OSU interviewed the players on Dec. 16, they self-reported on Dec. 19, the NCAA notified OSU of suspensions on Dec. 22. That is 6 days between interviews and notice of suspensions/reinstatement. There is no reason this won't move relatively quickly. Everyone speculating on this thinks it is much more complicated than it is. Darren Rovell and all these guys have NO CLUE about the process. It's quite funny. There is no point in researching or citing NCAA enforcement rules because that's an entirely different universe. If A&M fails to investigate or the NCAA gets word A&M was covering everything up then we can worry about an enforcement action. But I SERIOUSLY doubt that will ever happen...

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What I do know is that every single person accusing Manziel directly is not cooperating.

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Plausible or not that one or two people that are cooperating did not announce to the public that there were not going to cooperate? Would you know about those, too?

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You can't offer one single argument that would lead someone to believe the NCAA could potentially have something

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Reality works

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Deductive reasoning tells me there is some major concern with TAMU right now

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Of course there is. I'm not sure of your point?

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Deductive reasoning tells me there is some major concern with TAMU right now

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All it tells me is that A&M is taking every precaution. No reason to risk anything.

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Would you know about those, too?

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Do you?

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The broker said he does not intend to cooperate with the ongoing NCAA investigation

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I don't intend to have a steak this weekend. Does that mean I will under no circumstances have a steak this weekend? How will you know if I do?