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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us

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Posted by dawg4lyfe
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:57 pm to
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Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:57 pm to
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I suspect they have the smoking gun by now.


Based on what?

You realize the NCAA itself has absolutely NOTHING that we know of, right? Every single piece of "evidence" thus far has been reported as coming from sources who refuse to have anything to do with the NCAA.

The NCAA doesn't have so much as a single first hand account of the accusations that we know of, merely the second hand media reports.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:57 pm to
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Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:59 pm to
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) had an interesting idea on this: what if every player on every FBS team on opening day offered his autograph for money? Yeah it will never happen, but what if it did?


I would be the lone holdout, at the end of the season I would hold every NCAA record, get the Heisman and sleep with all supermodels.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:59 pm to
uhhhhhhh..no one knows what they have or what they don't have..They been looking into this long before EsPN broke the store. AS some lady told Gene. you will know when we are through. and to claim you know what the NCAA has or does not have does not make you too bright. They don't have to share anything with TAMU until or if they hit them with a NOI or what ever it is called now.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:03 pm to
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uhhhhhhh..no one knows what they have or what they don't have..They been looking into this long before EsPN broke the store. AS some lady told Gene. you will know when we are through. and to claim you know what the NCAA has or does not have does not make you too bright. They don't have to share anything with TAMU until or if they hit them with a NOI or what ever it is called now.


Exactly, and this goes for all the idiots who think the NCAA is just seconds away from handing out a suspension.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:03 pm to
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Ask Auburn. It worked out for them quite nicely.


The NCAA had tangible evidence against Newton, who ultimately go off on a technicality. As far as we all know, the NCAA not only doesn't have tangible evidence against Manziel but NO evidence whatsoever.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:03 pm to
your friend Roger is clueless for that last comment he made.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:05 pm to
unless you are an NCAa insider you have no clue what they have or what they don't have. That is a fact jack. And they don't have to share with TAMU until they are ready to share
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:05 pm to
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uhhhhhhh..no one knows what they have or what they don't have..


Thus why I said "as far as we know". All we know is that it has been reported over and over and over again that all the brokers/accusers are refusing to cooperate the NCAA. The NCAA has even said they have contacted several of these brokers multiple times and haven't heard a thing from them.

The NCAA may have a "smoking gun" but there is NOTHING that would lead us to believe they do. There is however plenty to at least suggest they have little/nothing in the way of evidence.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:07 pm to
isnt the point of all 300 pages that everyone outside of the A&M family cant stand the Faggies.

dont get their arrogance. they will never realize that nobody outside of alumni and the shithole of college station cares about them.
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:07 pm to
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didn't think the ncaa start looking into things until June


As far as I know that's true, but irrelevant. A&M's compliance department reported in early Spring that Manziel had not taken any money for memorabilia and everything was hunky dory.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:07 pm to
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unless you are an NCAa insider you have no clue what they have or what they don't have.


What I do know is that every single person accusing Manziel directly is not cooperating. if the NCAA has significant evidence, it came from a source not yet reported by anyone.

All we can go on is what we know, and what we know at least suggests the NCAA has very little at all.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
17844 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:07 pm to
they may know of 25 other brokers that have not come to light as far as we know..I have not heard or seen a statement from anyone with the NCAA regarding anything..someone from ESPN may have said a broker said they were not talking..Please show me a link where the NCAA has spoke one iota
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:08 pm to
if this is true then why would Sumlin comment last week that he found out earlier that day.
Posted by JakeMongoose
Montgomery, Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:09 pm to
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The NCAA had tangible evidence against Newton, who ultimately go off on a technicality.


And that technicality (the "Cam Loophole") has been dealt with. "I didn't know" no longer flies if they think you should have.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
17844 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:10 pm to
if that loophole was closed prior to Cam's dad asking MSU for money, would Cam have been ruled ineligible?
Posted by JakeMongoose
Montgomery, Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
56 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:11 pm to
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What I do know is that every single person accusing Manziel directly is not cooperating.


How are you privy to the private NCAA investigation?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:11 pm to
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they may know of 25 other brokers that have not come to light as far as we know..


Of course they might, but we have no reason to believe they do.

You can't offer one single argument that would lead someone to believe the NCAA could potentially have something other than "well they might be keeping a secret". On the other hand, I can offer a great deal to suggest that they currently have very little.

There is always the "what if" factor in any aspect of life, but until it comes out there's no reason to assume the NCAA has this big smoking gun "just because".
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61143 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:12 pm to
Manziel should play and practice until the NCAA issues a statement or otherwise.

I am looking forward to his decline.
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