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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us

Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:50 am to
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:50 am to
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Do you have any idea how NCAA enforcement works? If a player breaks the rules, the school is held responsible for the actions of the player.


Unless it is Ohio State.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
11146 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:52 am to
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I understand that winning now outweighs forfeiting games later down the road. But what if the school receives sanctions for such actions? I.e. loses scholarships, can't go to bowl games for a few years, etc? Those are pretty long term impacts (just ask USC).


I'm convinced.

Who has Sumlin's email address? TIA
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63249 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:52 am to
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Do you have any idea how NCAA enforcement works?


quote:

If a player breaks the rules, the school is held responsible for the actions of the player



Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3277 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:52 am to
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If a player breaks the rules, the school is held responsible for the actions of the player.


Only if the school plays a player that they know is ineligible, or should have known was ineligible. I think A&M has enough cover on that front. If they play Manziel, and he winds up getting benched by the NCAA, the worst that will happen to A&M is they forfeit the games he played in.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1779 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:54 am to
Just wanted to check in.

Still no proof. Okay cool see y'all at the end of August
Posted by CrimsonFlounder
Gulf Coast
Member since Feb 2011
1059 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:54 am to
The chance IS zero as long as he does not play ineligible games. If he plays and is found guilty, then A&M is open to NCAA sanctions.
Posted by Legend13
Driving a titleist
Member since Nov 2011
4079 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:00 am to
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I think in the end the NCAA will have to say "lots of smoke but no fire" because there is no hard evidence of him being paid.
I agree.

The only way Manziel doesn't play is if someone "the broker" comes to the NCAA with some hard evidence that JFF received some cash or benefits. I don't see that happening because that means possible no more autograph cooperation from other NCAA athletes for said "paid" autographs.
Posted by utisdabomb12
Member since Aug 2013
148 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:02 am to
Mike and Mike were just interviewing someone formerly with the NCAA. Apparently, the NCAA doesn't have to disclose their sources (I.e. they can just ask them anonymously and then act on such sources). Just wait and watch some of these sources are going to talk, because they can do it under the "anonymous" shield.

Mike and Mike both argued that they think there's a good possibility that Manziel never plays college football again. Greenberg's primary point was that there's no way Manziel can get around answering questions to the NCAA/corroborating a story for signing all the autographs for free.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 9:06 am
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:06 am to
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Okay cool see y'all at the end of August


Hope not.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1779 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:07 am to
So it is your opinion that all it takes to get a player like Manziel suspended is words. the NCAA does NOT NEED ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT MONEY EXCHANGED HANDS? Is that what youre telling me? Because if so, you'll have to excuse me I have some "anonymous" phone calls to make to get every single Alabama and LSU player suspended
Posted by JakeMongoose
Montgomery, Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
56 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:09 am to
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So it is your opinion that all it takes to get a player like Manziel suspended is words. the NCAA does NOT NEED ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT MONEY EXCHANGED HANDS? Is that what youre telling me? Because if so, you'll have to excuse me I have some "anonymous" phone calls to make to get every single Alabama and LSU player suspended



If you have 5K in autographs to back that up, they might be willing to listen to you.
Posted by utisdabomb12
Member since Aug 2013
148 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:10 am to
I do, since that's what someone formerly affiliated with the NCAA just said. He verbatim said on Mike and Mike that the NCAA can act on anonymous sources. It's not like there isn't other circumstantial evidence that corroborates what the sources said (as the poster above me stated).
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 9:12 am
Posted by Greg09Ag
Third Coast yuh heeeeard
Member since Sep 2011
3168 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:10 am to
All he has to say is "no".



Posted by Bellabama
Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent
Member since Nov 2009
30878 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:11 am to
They need corroborating stories from different people and the proof a relationship exists. You could call and say that you did that, but you have no ties to any of the players or any type of acknowledged mutual relationship.
Posted by bama my heart
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Member since Mar 2007
1293 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:17 am to
Maybe I just don't know a lot about this sort of stuff, but it is really confusing to me. Why would Manziel deal with a broker if not for money?
He may sign a lot of autographs, but that's for the school, his parents, and friends. Why deal with a broker that he doesn't even know? Why did these brokers even come forth with any information? They knew that it would be wrong to sell autographs from a current player, and what damage it could do to this kid and his school? If they were planning on turning him in, why wouldn't they get proof that he took the money?
It just doesn't make sense to me.
If they really don't have absolute proof that Manziel took money, and they suspend him anyway, and then the NCAA clears him later on, couldn't the Manziel family sue the school and the NCAA for possibly ruining his career?
That is why I just don't think that little Johnny will be suspended, there is just too much on the line for him and the school without absolute proof. So another player beats the system, and there is nothing that anyone can do about it.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1779 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:17 am to
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They need corroborating stories from different people and the proof a relationship exists. You could call and say that you did that, but you have no ties to any of the players or any type of acknowledged mutual relationship.


So let's say that there were 20 millionaire aggies who paid 6 different autograph brokers a million dollars a piece to claim McCarron signed for money. These brokers make all the same allegations that are currently against Manziel. You're saying all i need to get a star player suspended is have a bunch of people say the same thing with no physical evidence to back up anything?
Posted by JakeMongoose
Montgomery, Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
56 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:20 am to
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So let's say that there were 20 millionaire aggies who paid 6 different autograph brokers a million dollars a piece to claim McCarron signed for money. These brokers make all the same allegations that are currently against Manziel. You're saying all i need to get a star player suspended is have a bunch of people say the same thing with no physical evidence to back up anything?



Nice try, Uncle Nate.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
39647 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:21 am to
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A&M's chances of getting any sanctions are next to zero. They have been very outward in how they did everything possible to educate and prevent this and they have been very cooperative with the NCAA. This one is all on Johnny outside of the risk of forfeiting games if he plays and is later suspended (which seems unlikely).



Denial is a great thing..
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1779 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:21 am to
Nice deflection
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28991 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 9:22 am to
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The only way Manziel doesn't play is if someone "the broker" comes to the NCAA with some hard evidence that JFF received some cash or benefits.


Wrong. First of all, Uncle Nate getting paid will be enough. Second, The NCAA is going to ask JFH about signing thousands of autographs for these guys, and if they don't find his answers credible, he's toast.
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