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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:53 am to bama my heart
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:53 am to bama my heart
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It's just a fifty fifty gamble.
I disagree....I think the smart money is on playing him becuase I think the chance of losing by not playing Manziel is greater than the chance of losing because of forfeiting won games that he played in.
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:57 am to LSU316
I understand that winning now outweighs forfeiting games later down the road. But what if the school receives sanctions for such actions? I.e. loses scholarships, can't go to bowl games for a few years, etc? Those are pretty long term impacts (just ask USC).
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:57 am to utisdabomb12
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there's a public perception that the NCAA has to meet, or else they won't be viewed as a consistent actor and hence a legit entity.
That perception is going to be hurt regardless of the decision they make in this case, though.
As screwed as A&M would be if JFF doesn't get to play, the NCAA may already be screwed in the long run. Time will tell on that, though.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:58 am to LSU316
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Well to get everything out there he said he did deny the guy a signing session at the airport and then later on was signing over 400 items for the same dude.....why deny once and then do it?
I have zero faith in ESPN reporter's abilities or desires to get the right context in any conversation they report, or to use reliable sources. Their source in the wiretapping report was a dying ex-media personality who had a massive grudge against the Saints because they banned him from covering the team (not gonna get into what he did to get banned, but it was bad and non football related).
So, even if Rovell said that JFF told the guy no at the airport and then signed for him later, I have no faith that that protrays an accurate retelling of what happened.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:59 am to TbirdSpur2010
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As screwed as A&M would be if JFF doesn't get to play, the NCAA may already be screwed in the long run. Time will tell on that, though.
The NCAA plays the long game.
Seriously they need to be stopped, JF is/was stupid but the NCAA won't solve anything.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:59 am to bama my heart
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It's just a fifty fifty gamble. If you suspend him, and then find out he's cleared, but you had lost the games because he did not play versus him playing and findig out that he's guilty and you had to forfeit the games. Wouldn't you hate not to let him play only to find out that he could have been playing from week one? That's why the timing is so confusing to me. If this happened in January, why did the NCAA wait until a month before the season starts to bring this up, and why with cases like this can't they make a decision in a hurry? Why punish the entire team for something that one player may or may not have done? They did with Cam. They suspended him on the Sunday(after the iron bowl of course) and reinstated him on Monday........always was a little fishy to me.
I'm extremely intrigued as to how this will all play out, to be honest. Wish my alma mater wasn't at the center of it, but I'd be fascinated either way.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 7:59 am to utisdabomb12
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But what if the school receives sanctions for such actions? I.e. loses scholarships, can't go to bowl games for a few years, etc? Those are pretty long term impacts (just ask USC).
IIRC Reggie took money from a USC booster correct....are we equating that to Manziel signing autographs for 25K? I don't see how aTm could have prevented that. I imagine Petey knew Reggie was getting paid and probably even encouraged it. The same may be true for Sumlin but I'm not sure.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:00 am to bama my heart
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It's just a fifty fifty gamble.
I think it will be Cam all over again. They are gonna gather what they can gather up until the week before the gane and make a decision on that. If they don't have enough (and i doubt they will), they will make up some crazy explanation to cover everything, declare the investigation closed and JFF cleared. They will not let this linger into the seasobn.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:00 am to MagicCityBlazer
I will say the NCAA takes way too long to act on these things. They should come out and say either Manziel is cleared to play or isn't cleared to play, and that the investigation will continue but A&M won't be held accountable for playing him. They should have to forfeit games, but not receive sanctions.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 8:15 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:01 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Wish my alma mater wasn't at the center of it
The price you pay for having a primadonna baller as your best player.
The unfortunate part is he isn't making the decision easy for you guys like Perilloux did for Les.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:03 am to TbirdSpur2010
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As screwed as A&M would be if JFF doesn't get to play, the NCAA may already be screwed in the long run. Time will tell on that, though.
Unless their evidence is Ironclad, they clear JFF and close this investigation before the season. They had a ton on Cam, but not enough to be rock solid, so they came up with that "He didn't knwo what his dad did" explanation and shut down the inquiry. That is what will happen here. This does not linger into the season.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:05 am to sbrian3915
You haven't seen the NCAA. These things take forever. Just look at Miami.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:09 am to LSU316
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The price you pay for having a primadonna baller as your best player.
Wish JFF could be more like Tim Duncan or something
Is that too much to ask?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:17 am to TbirdSpur2010
What's the latest?
Why is this still stickied?
Why is this still stickied?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:25 am to hg
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What's the latest?
Same ol' same ol'
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Why is this still stickied?
Cuz it's easier to keep most of the JFF/aggy talk/bashing confined to one thread for everyone's convenience
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:28 am to sbrian3915
Here is one of the rules that the NCAA can impose because JF lied... It is the same thing they are looking at Chris Jones of Miss St.
Bylaw 10.1 on unethical conduct by prospective or enrolled student-athletes includes "refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual's institution."
His only hope is that it takes them 6 months to finish the investigation and he leaves anyway.
Bylaw 10.1 on unethical conduct by prospective or enrolled student-athletes includes "refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual's institution."
His only hope is that it takes them 6 months to finish the investigation and he leaves anyway.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:32 am to hg
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What's the latest?
ESPN has found two more massive autograph sessions, with over 1,500 signed items in each.
So JFF and the TAMU faithful would have you believe that he signed over 5,000 items out of the kindness of his heart.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:38 am to JakeMongoose
No, out of the kindness of his heart and broker auto-pens.
A large number of these "authenticated" sigs are ... [stay tuned]
A large number of these "authenticated" sigs are ... [stay tuned]
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:40 am to utisdabomb12
A&M's chances of getting any sanctions are next to zero. They have been very outward in how they did everything possible to educate and prevent this and they have been very cooperative with the NCAA. This one is all on Johnny outside of the risk of forfeiting games if he plays and is later suspended (which seems unlikely).
A&M is putting the pressure on the NCAA to act, either suspend him or don't but A&M will assume he is clear until they hear otherwise. I think in the end the NCAA will have to say "lots of smoke but no fire" because there is no hard evidence of him being paid.
A&M is putting the pressure on the NCAA to act, either suspend him or don't but A&M will assume he is clear until they hear otherwise. I think in the end the NCAA will have to say "lots of smoke but no fire" because there is no hard evidence of him being paid.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 8:49 am to aggressor
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A&M's chances of getting any sanctions are next to zero. They have been very outward in how they did everything possible to educate and prevent this and they have been very cooperative with the NCAA. This one is all on Johnny outside of the risk of forfeiting games if he plays and is later suspended (which seems unlikely).
Do you have any idea how NCAA enforcement works? If a player breaks the rules, the school is held responsible for the actions of the player.
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