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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:55 am to cyde
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:55 am to cyde
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Even if so, the NCAA selectively enforces their own rules. If you think they're going to be caught with their pants down twice you're an idiot.
Twice? Nah.. 3 in a row! Yes...
In the current state the NCAA is in, yes. I do believe JFF will be cleared. DO I personally think he didn't know? NOPE! Do I think he was involved? YEP! Do I think he's bad for NCAA football? Yep! Do I want the NCAA to grow, or at least borrow, a nut sack and find a backbone? YES!
However, they will not. IT will be due to them not closing pandora's box.
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:56 am to NYCAuburn
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yes we have again and again you are being obtuse and not seeing it. I can't fix stupid sorry
Well if he's trying to say that the NCAA didn't add language to the rule that states that the player explicitly has to know, then he's right. What they did was just simply broaden the definition of "agent"... enough to include uncle douchebag. They will not require that Johnny 'know,' nor will they likely believe that he doesn't know.
How the NCAA decides to interpret all this is up to them; not some homer on a message board.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:57 am to cyde
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Well if he's trying to say that the NCAA didn't add language to the rule that states that the player explicitly has to know, then he's right. What they did was just simply broaden the definition of "agent"... enough to include uncle douchebag.
well they also added the "indirectly" as well, which means he doesn't have to know if said person was acting on his behalf
and despite what DH may think he completed his portion of the contract by signing the autographs. And signing those particular autographs is not something he would have done.
Ultimately it will come down to if they can find a paper trail, not whether he knew or not
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/6/13 at 9:58 am to NYCAuburn
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So did he sign the thousands of autographs? yes or no? simple question
Cam signed thousands of autographs too. Most stars of a team do. That does not equal getting paid, nor does it equal him agreeing to to sign for pay.
It's going nowhere.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:00 am to darkhorse
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Cam signed thousands of autographs too. Most stars of a team do. That does not equal getting paid, nor does it equal him agreeing to to sign for pay. It's going nowhere.
So do you like trolling or are you just an idiot ?
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:00 am to NYCAuburn
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well they also added the "indirectly" as well, which means he doesn't have to know if said person was acting on his behalf
And the whole thing is left neatly up to interpretation. If they want him fricked, he's fricked.
Personally, I don't see any realistic way he isn't fricked.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:01 am to darkhorse
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Cam signed thousands of autographs too. Most stars of a team do. That does not equal getting paid, nor does it equal him agreeing to to sign for pay.
Did he sign them all in one sitting?
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:02 am to darkhorse
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darkhorse
Wow. You're a special kind of stupid.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:02 am to cyde
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Personally, I don't see any realistic way he isn't fricked
They need to find some money in order for him to be fricked. if they decide to classify him as a part of manziels family or whatever the title is, he will be forced to turn over his records or have JM dq'd from the NCAA. hopefully this kid was smart, but for some reason I doubt it
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:03 am to cyde
If he has an agent or Manager he is screwed... He has to open up his records or he will be punished... You have to be open and transparent.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:03 am to AUnite
quote:He's fun to watch tho.
Wow. You're a special kind of stupid.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:04 am to NYCAuburn
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They need to find some money in order for him to be fricked.
Actually, I don't think they even have to do that.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:05 am to cyde
quote:If they conclude that UncleNate "asked" for money that's enough...
Actually, I don't think they even have to do that.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 10:07 am
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:06 am to cyde
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cyde
This is the exact language. Word for word, straight out of the hand book. Show me where I'm wrong. Show me where their team of lawyers have zero chance.
You are confusing the definition vs what causes the amateurism status to change.
12.1.2 Amateur status. An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual:
(a) Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport;
(b) Accepts a promise of pay even if such pay is to be received following completion of intercollegiate athletics participation;
(c) Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1;
And let's skip down to the only one that matters...
(g) Enters into an agreement with an agent
Did He enter into an agreement with an agent?
12.02.1 Agent. An agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly:
(a) Represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain; or
Here, JFF is in the clear. He did not enter an agreement with Fitch for the above NCAA sited reasons. Next
(b) Seeks to obtain any type of financial gain or benefit from securing a prospective student-athlete’s enrollment at an educational institution
Has nothing to do with the enrollment process (NEWTON )
or from a student-athlete’s potential earnings as a professional athlete.
Had zero to do with that.
Application:
An agent may include, but is not limited to, a certified contract advisor, financial
advisor, marketing representative, brand manager or anyone who is employed or associated with such persons.
None of that has been met.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:08 am to Roger Klarvin
Can you update the OP with any new details as they come? I can't bring myself to read 123 pages of this ridiculous thread.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:08 am to dallasga6
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If they find UncleNate "asked" for money that's enough...
There's likely already testimony to that effect as well. Nate's an agent, and he pretty much flushed Johnny's college career and aggy's season down the shitter.
I don't know what to tell this guy darkhorse. It's best to just look forward.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:08 am to dallasga6
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He's fun to watch tho.
Truth
and I've only read from page 120 and on.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:08 am to darkhorse
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darkhorse
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They have not fixed everything, and unless the NCAA reaches, JFF will alk and we will hear the same speech. "it was clearly wrong, but we just didn't have legal ground to stand on... will change rules to fix it"
Really? Didn't close the loophole? What's this shite about then?
NCAA Closes Loophole That Allowed Cam Newton To Play
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:09 am to darkhorse
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An agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly:
(a) Represents or attempts to represent
Go away.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 10:10 am to darkhorse
quote:so JFF is NOT in the clear,, in fact it can be shown that Uncle Ricco had an interest..
2.02.1 Agent. An agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly:
(a) Represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain; or
Here, JFF is in the clear. He did not enter an agreement with Fitch for the above NCAA sited reasons. Next
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