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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:58 am to ibldprplgld
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:58 am to ibldprplgld
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That would make sense. Did anyone confirm Lipsey was the one dining with Wade?
quote:Wade going behind the back of the LSU Administration (his immediate superiors), with BOS members, big $$ donors, former BOS members wielding power, influence and clout behind the scenes is a sure fire path to a successful future at LSU.
No, I didn't mean to suggest Lipsey was the one dining with Wade. He's not on the BOS, but he's very active in everything LSU and he's been an outspoken proponent of Wade through this.
He holds quite a bit of clout when it comes to all things LSU via his political connections and his checkbook.
This sounds reminiscent of the ole Bobby Lowder/Auburn back in the day.
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:58 am to the808bass
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This is the sort of delusion we enjoy the most.
I think what he meant by that is if Wade isn't permitted to testify, which the federal prosecutors are already trying to prevent, none of these wiretaps will be made part of the record and the NCAA won't be able to obtain them otherwise. If the NCAA is forced to conduct their own investigation, all they'll have is that small blurb in the previous transcript. That won't be enough proof for them to stick much of anything to Wade or the LSU program. It's not about what you think you know or can infer, it's what you can prove. If the NCAA doesn't get the FBI files they want, they're going to have a very difficult time proving anything. Not many LSU fans actually believe no wrongdoing occurred. However, many do believe it's going to be a tough burden of proof for the NCAA.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:59 am to lsufball19
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none of these wiretaps will be made part of the record and the NCAA won't be able to obtain them otherwise.
This is false.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:00 am to the808bass
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This is false.
You are false.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:00 am to the808bass
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This is false.
no it's not. If they or Will Wade's testimony are deemed inadmissible, the FBI cannot release wiretaps of third parties to the NCAA. But I'm sure you, in your vast knowledge of the law, can provide some legal precedent to show me how that's false.This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:03 am to RT1941
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Wade going behind the back of the LSU Administration (his immediate superiors), with BOS members, big $$ donors, former BOS members wielding power, influence and clout behind the scenes is a sure fire path to a successful future at LSU.
It's a gamble no doubt, but I'd venture a guess that the current BOS members and Lipsey will be around far longer than Alleva and possibly King will be.
One very important thing to realize: Alleva can't move to fire Wade without approval from the BOS, so there's that small detail, too.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:06 am to lsufball19
quote:Does Dawkins and his people have the tapes in their possession? Will they lock them down firmly if they aren't allowed to use them in defense?
no it's not. If they or Will Wade's testimony are deemed inadmissible, the FBI cannot release wiretaps of third parties to the NCAA. But I'm sure you, in your vast knowledge of the law, can provide some legal precedent to show me how that's false.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:09 am to lsufball19
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lsufball19
You’re doing the lord’s work, my friend. Dropping bombs in this thread.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:10 am to RT1941
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Does Dawkins and his people have the tapes in their possession? Will they lock them down firmly if they aren't allowed to use them in defense?
That would be a serious chain of custody issue for the NCAA if they get the tapes from defense counsel and not directly from the FBI.
Wade's attorney (and LSU's for that matter) would pounce on that immediately.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:11 am to RT1941
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Does Dawkins and his people have the tapes in their possession? Will they lock them down firmly if they aren't allowed to use them in defense?
what incentive would Dawkins have in releasing them to the NCAA? And that would also find Dawkins in the middle of another lawsuit and potentially more criminal charges were he to take such actions. There is also a protective order in place on all of that evidence, so there's that. I guess if Dawkin's doesn't care about even more trouble and his attorney doesn't care about facing possible disbarment, then sure they could, in theory, hand over what they have to the NCAA. And how exactly do you think that would fare for the NCAA to willingly accept illegally obtained evidence?
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:12 am to RT1941
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Does Dawkins and his people have the tapes in their possession? Will they lock them down firmly if they aren't allowed to use them in defense?
To obtain things illegally would likely not be the best course of action for them
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:14 am to ibldprplgld
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Wade going behind the back of the LSU Administration (his immediate superiors), with BOS members, big $$ donors, former BOS members wielding power, influence and clout behind the scenes is a sure fire path to a successful future at LSU.
quote:I see your point, but it's unlikely that Joe Alleva, the entire Athletic Department, FKing, and the entire LSU Compliance crew will lose their jobs over a head basketball coach.
It's a gamble no doubt, but I'd venture a guess that the current BOS members and Lipsey will be around far longer than Alleva and possibly King will be.
One very important thing to realize: Alleva can't move to fire Wade without approval from the BOS, so there's that small detail, too.
At the end of the day, should Wade be reinstated he will have to work day to day under many of the same folks that he undermined and show insubordination towards.
The BOS, big $$ donors, and Lipsey won't be sitting in the building during the day to day operations and administration of Wade's program on a go forward basis. I just see a great possibility for a toxic work environment.
Compliance alone can make a HC's job unbearable, they can slow play admissions clearance and they can outright block recruiting processes when they feel like it.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:18 am to ibldprplgld
quote:Thanks for the clarification.
That would be a serious chain of custody issue for the NCAA if they get the tapes from defense counsel and not directly from the FBI.
Wade's attorney (and LSU's for that matter) would pounce on that immediately.
This sounds like a dead end then, as the taps won't likely see the light of day.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:18 am to RT1941
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I see your point, but it's unlikely that Joe Alleva, the entire Athletic Department, FKing, and the entire LSU Compliance crew will lose their jobs over a head basketball coach.
F King's job security extends far beyond Will Wade or even the athletic department. Alleva's job security extends far beyond Will Wade. The situation with Will Wade "the basketball coach" is simply going to be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:18 am to lsufball19
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no it's not. If they or Will Wade's testimony are deemed inadmissible, the FBI cannot release wiretaps of third parties to the NCAA. But I'm sure you, in your vast knowledge of the law, can provide some legal precedent to show me how that's false.
So the FBi legally cant release investigated information to the public or third parties if not used in a court case?
As RT also alluded to, not even the defense? How do you think this got out there to begin with?
I believe the FBI has already said they are going to be handing over some stuff to the NCAA when finished. I believe its been posted in here a bunch of times already
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:22 am to ibldprplgld
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It's definitively not unless there's payment for services rendered. You got a link to that?
you can do business without payment quote:
Otherwise it was just a conversation between two people in the same field.
yes, talking about their particular business...
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:23 am to NYCAuburn
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So the FBi legally cant release investigated information to the public or third parties if not used in a court case?
No
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As RT also alluded to, not even the defense? How do you think this got out there to begin with?
Someone (we know who) leaked it to the media, which the judge responded by putting into place a protective order. the play was simple. Dawkins is pissed and wants to go scorched earth on college basketball because he'll be sitting in prison for things that are the "status quo." When the initial wire taps and transcripts were not admitted during an evidentiary hearing in his first trial, Dawkins and his attorney realized that no one will know about all of this unless they started leeking things to the media. I assume they thought if they won in the court of public opinion then that would help him down the road. The federal judges don't appreciate litigants making a mockery and a show of their court proceedings, so a protective order was put in place while Dawkin's attorney's played dumb and wouldn't admit to being the leak. The only people who have this information are the feds, the parties to the case, and the defense counsels for the defendants. You do the math on who most likely leaked this information to yahoo because it sure as shite wasn't the feds.
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I believe the FBI has already said they are going to be handing over some stuff to the NCAA when finished. I believe its been posted in here a bunch of times already
Yes, some stuff. But that does not equate to their entire case file.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:23 am to lsufball19
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Will Wade's testimony are deemed inadmissible, the FBI cannot release wiretaps of third parties to the NCAA.
LSU fans continually fail to realize that the NCAA is not a court of law. The FBI has stated that they will be turning over everything they have gathered to the NCAA when their investigation is over.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:23 am to NYCAuburn
quote:THIS is what I'd like to know as well.
So the FBi legally cant release investigated information to the public or third parties if not used in a court case?
As RT also alluded to, not even the defense? How do you think this got out there to begin with?
I believe the FBI has already said they are going to be handing over some stuff to the NCAA when finished. I believe its been posted in here a bunch of times already
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:24 am to MrAUTigers
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LSU fans continually fail to realize that the NCAA is not a court of law.
No I don't
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The FBI has stated that they will be turning over everything they have gathered to the NCAA when their investigation is over.
Actually, no they haven't. Them saying they won't release anything until after the case has been tried is not them saying they will release everything. Again, you are more than welcome to cite some legal precedent to show that the FBI can release inadmissible wiretaps of third parties to other third parties. No the NCAA is not a court of law, but the FBI and the NCAA are still bound by laws and cannot circumvent them to suit their own personal interests.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:27 am
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