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Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:59 pm to Crompdaddy8
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:59 pm to Crompdaddy8
The whole NCAAFB set up is a joke.
It is the NFL minor leagues and schools are raking in billions off the backs of kids who have no other place to go for NFL job training, unlike MLB & the NBA who offer minor leagues & huge wages.
The NCAA is a "non-profit org" that rakes in billions. Coaches, administrators get their millions before putting the leftover money back into faculty/facilities to maintain their "non-profit" deception.
Then they have the nerve to tell students they have to maintain their amateur status in order to get a free-40k education they didn't ask for. They just want to train for the NFL.
Would you work for a company for 4 years as an intern in training and accept a un-requested gift valued at $40K total as your compensation? Oh as a bonus, they'll throw in free cafeteria meals and a free 13x13 room.
It is the NFL minor leagues and schools are raking in billions off the backs of kids who have no other place to go for NFL job training, unlike MLB & the NBA who offer minor leagues & huge wages.
The NCAA is a "non-profit org" that rakes in billions. Coaches, administrators get their millions before putting the leftover money back into faculty/facilities to maintain their "non-profit" deception.
Then they have the nerve to tell students they have to maintain their amateur status in order to get a free-40k education they didn't ask for. They just want to train for the NFL.
Would you work for a company for 4 years as an intern in training and accept a un-requested gift valued at $40K total as your compensation? Oh as a bonus, they'll throw in free cafeteria meals and a free 13x13 room.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:59 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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So, does anyone believe his lie about being hungry ?
Nope, the hungry bit is stupid. Most of the big time schools have players on set food regiments. They are fed very well and have access to weekend food.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:59 pm to PropJoe
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Good one
Now read it and tell me how it has anything to do with an open market.
Ill wait.
I could repeat the part I posted earlier about how being codified as an NCAA rule, not to mention the fact that said payments would be due to playing atheltics at a college or university brings Title IX implications, but since it went in one ear and out the other before, I fail to see how you would comprehend that fact now.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:00 pm to sbrian3915
I just want to address a comment that was made a few pages back that a lot of schools would cease to exist if they didn't have a football team.
How fricking stupid is that?
Let's take Duke as an example. Duke receives over $311 million dollars a year in grants from the NIH alone.
Research grants and endowments dwarf money that is generated from college athletics. The fact is that the vast majority of college athletic programs are a drain on the resources of the universities. The universities that are generating positive cash flow from their athletic programs sure as hell aren't putting that money back into the general fund for the universities to do with as they wish.
How fricking stupid is that?
Let's take Duke as an example. Duke receives over $311 million dollars a year in grants from the NIH alone.
Research grants and endowments dwarf money that is generated from college athletics. The fact is that the vast majority of college athletic programs are a drain on the resources of the universities. The universities that are generating positive cash flow from their athletic programs sure as hell aren't putting that money back into the general fund for the universities to do with as they wish.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:00 pm to Crompdaddy8
dude was hungry----sh----
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:00 pm to sbrian3915
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I could repeat the part I posted earlier about how being codified as an NCAA rule, not to mention the fact that said payments would be due to playing atheltics at a college or university brings Title IX implications, but since it went in one ear and out the other before, I fail to see how you would comprehend that fact now.
Title 9 only says that if you do for males, you must do for females. allowing players to be paid has no effect on that.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:01 pm to lsutothetop
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I'm talking about whether or not they're compensated according to fair market value.
This is so fricking stupid. You're talking about potentially giving stud college football players million dollar "market value".
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:02 pm to sbrian3915
title 9 compels schools to offer equal resources to men and women. That has typically been interpreted by schools in two ways:
1- equal number of varsity sports
2- equal usage of funds based on gender
if the team is coed then regardless of how it is treated it satisfies these qualifications. If an individual isn't good enough to make the team then they don't make the team.
Mostly I enjoy this argument because the only way to refute it is by admitting that women are not as good at sports as men are. Rabid Title 9 supporters just HATE admitting that.
1- equal number of varsity sports
2- equal usage of funds based on gender
if the team is coed then regardless of how it is treated it satisfies these qualifications. If an individual isn't good enough to make the team then they don't make the team.
Mostly I enjoy this argument because the only way to refute it is by admitting that women are not as good at sports as men are. Rabid Title 9 supporters just HATE admitting that.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:02 pm to PropJoe
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Title 9 only says that if you do for males, you must do for females. allowing players to be paid has no effect on that.
The fact that you still cannot use the proper terminology speaks volumes.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:03 pm to lsutothetop
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formal minor league system getting paid and trained for the major leagues.
So, we pay them less than 20k a year, take their education away, and let them fend for themselves?
Actually I would be completely ok with this. They would get exactly what they want, and would be completely fricked at the same time.
Most wouldn't make it out of the "minor league" due to injuries or just not being good enough. They would have blown every penny of their money. On top of that, they would be back to the streets just like they started with no education whatsoever(or just a paper that says they graduated from a university, which will get them places without having actually learned anything during their time there).
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:03 pm to sbrian3915
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The fact that you still cannot use the proper terminology speaks volumes.
I read that is, you are right, but I will nitpick at a few keystrokes instead of admitting that.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:04 pm to LSUFreek
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Would you work for a company for 4 years as an intern in training and accept a un-requested gift valued at $40K total as your compensation? Oh as a bonus, they'll throw in free cafeteria meals and a free 13x13 room.
They need to adjust meal and room arrangements, but other than that, it's a pretty sweet set up.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:05 pm to LSUFreek
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The whole NCAAFB set up is a joke.
It is the NFL minor leagues and schools are raking in billions off the backs of kids who have no other place to go for NFL job training, unlike MLB & the NBA who offer minor leagues & huge wages.
The NCAA is a "non-profit org" that rakes in billions. Coaches, administrators get their millions before putting the leftover money back into faculty/facilities to maintain their "non-profit" deception.
Then they have the nerve to tell students they have to maintain their amateur status in order to get a free-40k education they didn't ask for. They just want to train for the NFL.
Would you work for a company for 4 years as an intern in training and accept a un-requested gift valued at $40K total as your compensation? Oh as a bonus, they'll throw in free cafeteria meals and a free 13x13 room.
Reasonable, common sense, opinion ... but answer me this.
Name another industry that pays 18-21 year olds the kind of money they already receive in benefits as student athletes.
Note that I am not disagreeing with you. As a matter of fact I am all for stipends, for paying players. Spurrier himself has led the way for the better part of the past two years now. But it is a complicated issue whereas some are trying to make it far too simple.
It's coming, that is inevitable. But there are going to be a lot of details to work-out first not the least of which is the penalties for failing to follow the rules once the amounts have been mandated and put into the NCAA by-laws.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:05 pm to VABuckeye
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The fact is that the vast majority of college athletic programs are a drain on the resources of the universities. The universities that are generating positive cash flow from their athletic programs sure as hell aren't putting that money back into the general fund for the universities to do with as they wish.
False. LSU Athletic Dept. YEARLY gives several million dollars to the University.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:05 pm to PropJoe
Pay football players and you have to pay basketball players. Then the SEC wants to start playing baseball players and it goes downhill from there.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:05 pm to PropJoe
And what about taxes? How is that going to be accounted for when a kid that isn't cashing a paycheck from an employer is pulling in six figures? Are you going to make them all employees of the university?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:07 pm to sportjunkie69
A few million is still a drop in the bucket compared to grants and endowments. It's pocket change. Btw, who funds the arms race? The growing athletic facilities and stadium expansions. The football program? Lol
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:07 pm to VABuckeye
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Pay football players and you have to pay basketball players. Then the SEC wants to start playing baseball players and it goes downhill from there.
Plus you'll have to pay the divers too, and the rowers, and the bowlers. People run their mouths without really thinking about what they are saying.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:08 pm to sbrian3915
Let the players market themselves.If they can make some $$$ signing autographs , do it.make a few commercials , do it.Then if the tennis team has market value , they can do it too.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:08 pm to VABuckeye
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Research grants and endowments dwarf money that is generated from college athletics. The fact is that the vast majority of college athletic programs are a drain on the resources of the universities. The universities that are generating positive cash flow from their athletic programs sure as hell aren't putting that money back into the general fund for the universities to do with as they wish.
Some do. And even without a positive cash flow, I'm sure if any analyst looked at what would happen to a fringe program with middling athletics, what would happen if they eliminated them, the interest in the school would drop like a rock. Marketing costs are huge, and athletics is free marketing.
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