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re: Are we witnessing the end of college football as we know it?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:48 am to TideSaint
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:48 am to TideSaint
If you start paying attention to the spreads & totals and find the "sucker bets" aka where >60% of money will end up on one side and see how those actually play out, you'll immediately lose interest in the "sport". Well, aside from maybe gaining interest in betting the sides opposite all the money as it's generally a guaranteed win, which tells you everything you need to know about what "college football" is at this point
When you see things like Notre Dame electing to go for it on 4th and 15 up 10 with 2:45 left from USC's 28 yard line and the total at 58 on a game with an O/U of 60.5 where ~70% of the public bet the over or Indiana's QB up 20-13 on the last play where his team was -6.5 @ Iowa and >65% of bettors had Indiana runs the ball from midfield into his own endzone to take a safety and then openly jokes about cooking people's spreads after the game, it becomes pretty obvious what's really going on. And the only logical explanation for those decisions also answers the question on the real source of NIL funding. Same is almost certainly true for all the other big sports as well.
It also explains why sportsbooks are suddenly so concerned with monitoring new accounts/betting patterns and trigger happy with bans/limits
When you see things like Notre Dame electing to go for it on 4th and 15 up 10 with 2:45 left from USC's 28 yard line and the total at 58 on a game with an O/U of 60.5 where ~70% of the public bet the over or Indiana's QB up 20-13 on the last play where his team was -6.5 @ Iowa and >65% of bettors had Indiana runs the ball from midfield into his own endzone to take a safety and then openly jokes about cooking people's spreads after the game, it becomes pretty obvious what's really going on. And the only logical explanation for those decisions also answers the question on the real source of NIL funding. Same is almost certainly true for all the other big sports as well.
It also explains why sportsbooks are suddenly so concerned with monitoring new accounts/betting patterns and trigger happy with bans/limits
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 11:57 am
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:58 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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If they sign contracts they are employees and can bargain collectively. It would be great to avoid this like the plague if possible.
If you make them sacrifice playing time for transfers it doesn't limit their ability to transfer, but it does start limiting their ability to collect checks.
You think OhioSt would pay Caleb Downs $2m to ride the pine for a year?
I know this is a bad example since Downs left after his coach retired, but still. Teams aren't going to be dropping bags on these players to transfer if they lose eligibility. It fixes the problem and avoids collective bargaining.
Would collective bargaining even work with NIL deals? Why would someone employed by a car dealership in Louisiana be able to collectively bargain with someone employed by an insurance company in Ohio? These are endorsement deals, do pros collectively bargain their endorsement deals?
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:59 am to AG87
It has certainly made it less of an investment (time and money). I used to cheer for the team and watching someone come in freshman year and develop through the program. Used to know all the players’ names coming in from the previous year.
Now, it isn’t even the same team as last year. Won’t be the same team next year. These men are just mercenaries. There is no school loyalty. There is no school passion. It is all about “that bag” or having a period because you didn’t get playing time so you transfer.
Collegiate sports are dead.
Now, it isn’t even the same team as last year. Won’t be the same team next year. These men are just mercenaries. There is no school loyalty. There is no school passion. It is all about “that bag” or having a period because you didn’t get playing time so you transfer.
Collegiate sports are dead.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:02 pm to Hback
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BINUK KODITUWAKKU
What are you saying? He’s not smart enough or White enough to do his job? I’ll go with the assumption he’s knowledgeable about his job. DEI is dead now, remember?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:03 pm to 6columns
Flawda tears are delicious
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:43 pm to CatfishJohn
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Would collective bargaining even work with NIL deals? Why would someone employed by a car dealership in Louisiana be able to collectively bargain with someone employed by an insurance company in Ohio? These are endorsement deals, do pros collectively bargain their endorsement deals?
Collective bargaining isn't just about money. For example, Let's say the SEC proposed 9 conference game schedule. They would have to bargain with the players in order to do this. The players would be able to mutiny over playing 9 SEC games if they didn't want to.
You want to deal with that?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:45 pm to ssand
100%
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:48 pm to jangalang
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So why did Saban leave?
Gee, I wonder why?
Maybe b/c now everyone can players and not just bama and auburn with cam newton?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:52 pm to jangalang
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Saban is still working lil bro
He works 3 hours a week vs 18 hours a day
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:53 pm to VYForever
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Found the Democrat here lol, party of the big government, please intervene big daddy government ewwww
If you found a Democrat, you must’ve looked in a mirror.
I’m 58 and have never voted for one in a national election in my life. But hey, you do you and don’t for one second complain or act shocked when programs start shutting down left and right .
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:59 pm to CatfishJohn
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The portal is fricking terrible. Kids shouldn't be jumping around this much.
Tell me your scared of schools like Mizzou, Vandy, and Indy without telling me your scared of them.
You're pathetic. Why shouldn't a student athlete be allowed to transfer? He has four years of eligibility and dumbasses like YOU think it's 'better for the game' to let them sit on your bench in case a starter gets hurt.
I mean why do you really care? Why do you personally feel if a kid wants to transfer to get more playing time while also getting PAID is a bad thing?
Explain to me please how that is a bad thing?
You are a fuggin clown and living in the past my man. Get with the times.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:04 pm to threedog79
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It is all about “that bag”
I mean WTF!? Do you clowns believe in Santa Claus too?
It's always been about 'that bag' and if you're too naive to realize that I it's time wake up.
I mean let's take one player as an example... Cam Newton.
It's always been and always will be 'all about that bag'
The difference is now it isn't against the rules to pay players. So all the 'blue bloods' aka 'biggest cheaters' are obviously having a hard time coming to the realization the jig is up.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:06 pm to threedog79
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It has certainly made it less of an investment (time and money). I used to cheer for the team and watching someone come in freshman year and develop through the program. Used to know all the players’ names coming in from the previous year.
Somebody get this guy some tissues.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:08 pm to 3down10
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You are more caught up in the drama and side show than you are the football itself.
Which is what? Please elaborate WTF you're talking about?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:10 pm to daydreamin
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The difference is now it isn't against the rules to pay players. So all the 'blue bloods' aka 'biggest cheaters' are obviously having a hard time coming to the realization the jig is up.
Yup. Instead of all of the concentration of the talent being in the 10 Teams (give or take), its now spread out to about the top 40 give or take.
I think the era of absolute dominance over the course of years is over. Its more like pro now. Each year could be very different.
The coaches that figure out how to adapt to this environment while still creating their own culture are the ones that will succeed.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:22 pm to JustGetItRight
You are the one advocating for government intervention and big government.
Further, I don't believe that Texas nor Alabama for that matter need ever worry about our programs disappearing. If they were to disappear it's because college football ceases to exist at all.
Further, I don't believe that Texas nor Alabama for that matter need ever worry about our programs disappearing. If they were to disappear it's because college football ceases to exist at all.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:25 pm to AG87
It's been over for a while now
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:54 pm to daydreamin
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Which is what? Please elaborate WTF you're talking about?
There is a game being played, and then there is all the other shite related to the outcomes of the game like rankings, playoffs and so forth.
It's like the basketball tournaments. Many people don't give a shite about the games themselves and so forth, it's all about the meanings of the games, the brackets and everything else that occurs as a result of the games. They don't watch other than that part.
And the majority of that in football is and has been artificially inflated in recent years with all the changes.
Oh this bowl game doesn't matter because they aren't eligible for the playoffs or whatever. And so they just make it so all these teams in a playoff so they can have this "accomplishment". Even gotta give teams AQ status to make sure all the conferences get in so their conference or whatever has their "extra".
Nascar basically fricked itself in similar fashion. They cared more about creating the drama and such so they started coming up with bullshite formats like the playoffs/chase so that someone's favorite driver could "be in it" for as long as possible. They put the cars on hard tires so that people with little experience could drive them and be competitive, etc. Creating "close finishes" all the time with competition cautions and what not.
Meanwhile, the actual quality of the races declined. They pushed their base away because it was no longer about the racing, it was about the drama and side shows.
You're always going to have a winner, and you're always going to have close games and what not.
So when he's talking about things being more compelling now, he's talking about things other than the games themselves - scoreboards and records. So many teams with a chance etc.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:55 pm to JustGetItRight
Saban is a Democrat. I bet if he was running for office in Alabama, you would have voted for him if it meant he was still influencing the football team
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:00 pm to daydreamin
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Tell me your scared of schools like Mizzou, Vandy, and Indy without telling me your scared of them.
You're pathetic. Why shouldn't a student athlete be allowed to transfer? He has four years of eligibility and dumbasses like YOU think it's 'better for the game' to let them sit on your bench in case a starter gets hurt.
I mean why do you really care? Why do you personally feel if a kid wants to transfer to get more playing time while also getting PAID is a bad thing?
Explain to me please how that is a bad thing?
You are a fuggin clown and living in the past my man. Get with the times.
Nobody is scared of these teams. The fact you don't understand that teams coming up and being good for a few years here and there before their entire staff gets hired away by another school is common just shows you don't have much experience watching college football.
This happens all the time, basically every year. And then the coaching ladder hits, and those schools go right back where they were before. The schools change is really the only thing that changes.
Before Franklin was hired by Penn St, he was lifting Vandy up. And then after he left, Vandy went back to...being Vandy.
Part of the reason it's so damn hard to stay at the top. You lose assistants and shite like crazy. Look at all the coaches in college football right now that were Alabama assistant coaches 10 years ago.
You say people are living in the past, and yet you are completely clueless about it and thus think everything you see is new. It's not.
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