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Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:04 pm to LSUDonMCO
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it is good that we will be part of the NFL's minor league.
Problem is - "minor league" has a bad stigma. Nobody watches "minor" leagues.
Even this year we saw a slight change. Drop in viewership for the CFB Natty - Record viewership for the Super Bowl.
If people get the idea that CFB is just minor league, they will watch only pro.
We need to bring in about 64 teams and reinstate this as "college" football.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:12 pm to PsychTiger
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Bama hasn’t won a non-COVID year national championship since 2017
You say this, but if LSU hadn't sucked balls in 2020 and managed to win it all a second time you'd be boasting about LSU's repeat.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:16 pm to FAT SEXY
no
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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my problem with this is that it insinuates that we must have equitable outcomes with every program being right there at the finish line all together and remove all parity.....but why?
Wait 'till Georgia gets left out of the CFP for James Madison.
As someone who remembers why the BCS was created after FSU ran through the ACC and a single bowl game every season to "win" national championships, I can promise you that you do not want, say Ohio State, doing what they just did every single year because their SOS heading into the playoffs is 112th.
There is so much money in this now, and the SEC has dominated for so long, the other leagues will do whatever it takes to legitimize their rights to be included (like SMU or Indiana got away with this year).
I don't like artificially-enforced parity either, and barely watch the NFL, but it may be the only chance to protect us who already play in legitimate leagues, not the other way around.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:29 pm to FAT SEXY
quote:No, and especially not with an expanded playoff.
Are "Super Conferences" actually good for CFB?
Just for fun (and because I'm old, damn it
), imagine a 1980's type landscape, with a 12 team playoff field: SEC
Big 10
Big 8 (OU, Nebraska, K State etc)
SWC (Texas, A&M, Arkansas, SMU etc)
Pac 10
ACC (just the southern half)
Big East (and put Penn State in there w Pitt, W Va, Syracuse etc)
Notre Dame if they're good
add in a couple minor conferences; AAC (Tulane or Army, etc), Mountain West (Boise), maybe Sun Belt and/or MAC if someone goes undefeated.
Put in a couple at-large from the big conferences, at least in consideration with the minor conference champs (10-2 Bama or Michigan instead of a Sun Belt or AAC team).
Regular season would still be very meaningful, and you'd get a lot of interesting marquee matchups in the playoffs. Conference championships would still be big, as winning a major one gets you into the dance.
Oh, and this sentence doesn't make sense:
quote:New Mexico is out, but Oklahoma State honestly is in better shape than a lot of SEC schools... if they win the Big 12 they make the playoffs, and they don't have to face Bama/UGA/Texas/LSU/Oklahoma/Tennesee/Fla etc to do it.
Will schools like Oklahoma State or New Mexico eventually get reclassified as D2?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:42 pm to paperwasp
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Wait 'till Georgia gets left out of the CFP for James Madison.
huh? You are making the exact same point I am...that forcefully shoehorning equity is an awful decision.
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As someone who remembers why the BCS was created
Yes I have been a very long follower of CFB as well
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I can promise you that you do not want, say Ohio State, doing what they just did every single year because their SOS heading into the playoffs is 112th.
I would much prefer that to what we have now.
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the SEC has dominated for so long, the other leagues will do whatever it takes to legitimize their rights to be included (like SMU or Indiana got away with this year).
right, and that's fricking stupid and awful for the sport. Becuase temas like that don't deserve to be in title contention.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:54 pm to WG_Dawg
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You are making the exact same point I am
Maybe I'm misunderstanding — I was assuming a super conference would take us out of the current 12-team playoff, and we'd be doing our own thing with all similar teams, both in terms of scheduling, roster talent, and resources.
As in, we leave the "have nots" to play within the existing structure, while we essentially go off and form a new 32-team league separate from that.
To be clear, I don't like any of this, just trying to find a way for all of us to get out of it.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:56 pm to PsychTiger
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Just because Bama hasn’t
If it's done for Bama, it's definitely done for LSU and others.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:14 pm to FAT SEXY
It depends on what you’re trying to do, if you trying to create balanced competition than yes. Western Kentucky Akron cincy wazzou etc etc aren’t playing the same game as bama uga osu etc. there’s 120 plus d1 schools and that’s too many considering anyone with a brain can tell some of these programs aren’t like the others.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:19 pm to wm72
It would be a lot better to just have 6 or so major conferences with a balance of powers that make geographic sense.
top of D1 need to quit the charade and go Indy, collective bargain, have a commissioner and leave other college sports out of this amateur money grab. The powers would schedule regionally and things would look like a more stream lined version of cfb pre expansion.
top of D1 need to quit the charade and go Indy, collective bargain, have a commissioner and leave other college sports out of this amateur money grab. The powers would schedule regionally and things would look like a more stream lined version of cfb pre expansion.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:20 pm to paperwasp
As in, we leave the "have nots" to play within the existing structure, while we essentially go off and form a new 32-team league separate from that.
This has been a long time coming.
This has been a long time coming.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:29 pm to MtVernon
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4 conferences, 16 teams each, 2 divisions each.
And if you do that, divisions will look like the major conferences did in the 80s. All this moving around to end up right back where they started. Kind of amazing when you think about it
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:29 pm to FAT SEXY
I think it has ups and downs. It gives teams better national exposure, but living in Texas, I would rather Mizzou play in the B12 had the other three schools also still stayed there. The social aspects of CFB far outweigh anything happening on the national stage.
Had everyone stayed, B12 could still have picked up TCU and maybe SMU and that would have made Saturdays crazy exciting in DFW. You can thank the horns for screwing that up.
Had everyone stayed, B12 could still have picked up TCU and maybe SMU and that would have made Saturdays crazy exciting in DFW. You can thank the horns for screwing that up.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:38 pm to lsufball19
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And if you do that, divisions will look like the major conferences did in the 80s.
The whole has lost value due to its parts trying to maximize their piece.
No individual is as stupid as the human collective.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:23 pm to FAT SEXY
not at all -
college football's distinct advantage over professional football was the long-standing regional/local rivalries & generational ties to schools - that's largely been exterminated expansion-
look no further than the ACC as the original culprit bringing in Big East refugees Syracuse - Pittsburgh - Boston College to join a historically Southern school league - that was the first domino - the addition of Stanford Cal & SMU has created a full-blown circus -
the tragedy that is now the big2t7en conference with its absorbing the Pac 12 schools is also laughable - but not as funny as bringing in Rutgers & Marilyn -
a Rutgers - Washington Huskies football game in NJ just screams must watch tv -
the final nail in the CFB coffin will be a move to have two "super conferences" ...the UFL in March will actually be a better product -
college football's distinct advantage over professional football was the long-standing regional/local rivalries & generational ties to schools - that's largely been exterminated expansion-
look no further than the ACC as the original culprit bringing in Big East refugees Syracuse - Pittsburgh - Boston College to join a historically Southern school league - that was the first domino - the addition of Stanford Cal & SMU has created a full-blown circus -
the tragedy that is now the big2t7en conference with its absorbing the Pac 12 schools is also laughable - but not as funny as bringing in Rutgers & Marilyn -
a Rutgers - Washington Huskies football game in NJ just screams must watch tv -
the final nail in the CFB coffin will be a move to have two "super conferences" ...the UFL in March will actually be a better product -
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:38 pm to 1801
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the final nail in the CFB coffin will be a move to have two "super conferences
I don't think it's going to happen. Because virtually... it's already happened. And the results are not mega fantastic. Not only just meh viewership, but also simply the word on the street - just like on this forum.
The customer is already weary. The 12-team playoff was met with more disdain than praise. The networks aren't deaf, but granted, money is the ultimate mouthpiece.
I'm not sure what comes next really... but something is going to have to, because if you can't feel NIL and Portal and 12-team playoff squeezing the life out of this sport - then you are obtuse.
Next year ratings will be worse. Professional "Minor" league ball does not sell. They are eventually going to have bring more schools back in and repackage this as CFB.
Maybe they will run this into the ground before making any changes, but I doubt they're going to dig deeper by announcing formal superconferences. It's already a bust.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:18 pm to theballguy
Fair enough, though I’m not the one saying it’s done.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:26 pm to FAT SEXY
I would prefer the old regional conferences but it's all screwed up now anyway with pay to play so frick it.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 4:09 pm to FAT SEXY
12 teams is a good number for a conference in Football. 14 teams in ok. 16 teams suck, and 18+ is just a league with 2 conferences.
CFB is all about the money now. I don't think it will ever be what it was.
CFB is all about the money now. I don't think it will ever be what it was.
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